ARC TBC Dissapearence? RESOLVED

[SteveT]

My Paternal GGrand Mother Sarah Ann Brookes (b1876) is listed in the 1881 census as living with her Aunt and Uncle at 71 Toll End Rd Tipton, I know she gave birth to my Grandfather in 1899, I cannot however find any record of her in the 1891 census? She was still singlke when she gave birth to my grandfather so her name hasn't changed by marriage, I've also searched for her in her uncles name (Walker) in the 1891 census but no joy there either. Has anyone got any suggestions as to her whereabouts?

TIA
Steve

[gardener]

Can you post any other details?

Who were her parents and grandparents?

Do you have her uncle in the 1891 census?

[SteveT]

I have no info on her parents at all, her uncles name was John Walker - there is a death record for a John Walker in 1885 - her aunt was Elizabeth - a death record exists for an Elizabeth Walker in 1891 - and they lived at 71 Toll End Rd. Like the forum say's, brick wall.

Steve

[gardener]

It is a bit tricky this one

You would need to check it all out and get the marriage's looked up - hope it holds together.

1853 marriage
CRIMES John WALKER Emma Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/013/193

1861
John Chrimes 28 head labourer Shropshire
Hannah Chrimes wife 31 Gospel oak [I think this is Emma because later she says born Gospel Oak)
John Walker 16 son in law Leaborook
Elizabeth Chrimes 4 dau Leabrook

1871
85 Toll End Road, Tipton
Emma Crimes 43 head wid Tipton
Betsy Crimes 14 dau ditto
Sarah Ann Crimes 2 [9 maybe] dau ditto
Thomas Foard 58 relative Worcs
Joseph Davies 43 ditto miner Wednesbury
Joseph J Davies 18 son Tipton
Thomas Davies 13 son West Bromwich
Henry Davies 10 son Tipton

1871
91 Toll End Road
Edward Brooks 55 miner Wednesbury
Ann Brooks wife 55 Tipton
Edward Brooks 16 son Tividale
John Aston 3 grandson Rowley
Joseph Homer 20 lodger Tipton
Sarah Homer 20 wife West bromwich

1873 marriage
DAVIES Joseph CHRIMES Emma Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/031/144

1875 marriage
BROOKES Edward CHRYMES Elizabeth Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/13/105

1876 marriage
WALKER John DAVIS Elizabeth Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/13/196

1881
71 Toll End Road, Tipton
John Walker 32 head shingler Tipton
Elizabeth Walker 27 wife ditto
Emma Davies 49 wid lodger ditto
Harry Davies 21 lodgers step son ditto
Sarah A. Davies 18 lodgers step dau ditto
Sarah A. Brooks 5 niece ditto [I think she is the daughter of Edward Brookes and Elizabeth/Betsy Crimes. Elizabeth Davies (who married John Walker) was Emma's stepdaughter I suppose.)

1881
New Rd 6 Court No 2, Tipton
Joseph Horner 29 coal miner [Homer I think] Tipton (and others too)
Sarah Horner 30
Edward Horner 9
Joseph Horner 7
Ann Brooks 65 mother boarder wid
Thomas Brooks 1 visitor
Edward Brooks 26 visitor mar coal miner

1891
Henry Davies 39 [30 on image] puddler Swan Village, Staffs
Malvina Davies 29
John T Davies 3
Samuel Davies 7
Agnes Davies 5
Henry Davies 3
Bertie Davies 4/12
Emma Davies 64 step mother shop keeper Gospel Oak

1901
Emma Davis 73 wid head small sweet shop Tipton
Sarah Ann Crimes 35 dau s Wednesbury
Jane Walker 20 grand dau s Tipton
Nancy Jane Crimes 1 grand dau Tipton
Thomas Brookes 21 grand son s Tipton
Jabez Cotterill 43 boarder
John Attwood 21 boarder
Thomas Griffiths 28 boarder

[Northern Lass]

What happened to Sarah Ann Brookes .....did she marry?

what is your G. fathers name?

who does he name on his birth certif..........do you have that...or his marriage? do you have that.

[Northern Lass]

trying to follow this

gardener can you check I add this ok...got marriage info

so Sarah Ann Brookes here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =693027972

has son who we dont know name of yet ????????????

dont know where she is on 1901???????????

nor if she marries in future ???????????


but we think her parents are Edward Brookes and Elizabeth /Betsy crimes

adding now..

[Northern Lass]

interesting....she is a widow
25 Dec 1853 St Thomas Dudley
John CHRIMES F B Labourer Dudley Father William Crimes Labourer
Emma WALKER F W Dudley Father John Manders (Dec) Shingler
After Banns The X of Both Wit ; James Fisher X / Jane Fisher X

[Northern Lass]

Ok added to Bcc what I can but stuck.

John Walker and Elizabeth Davies marriage

father for him is a William Walker and father for her is a George Davies

1881 71 Toll End Road, Tipton
John Walker 32 head shingler Tipton
Elizabeth Walker 27 wife ditto
Emma Davies 49 wid lodger ditto
Harry Davies 21 lodgers step son ditto
Sarah A. Davies 18 lodgers step dau ditto
Sarah A. Brooks 5 niece ditto [ think she is the daughter of Edward Brookes and Elizabeth/Betsy Crimes....


The John Walker in 1881 is b 1849

The John Walker in 1861 is b abt 1845
1861
John Chrimes 28 head labourer Shropshire
Hannah Chrimes wife 31 Gospel oak [I think this is Emma because later she says born Gospel Oak)
John Walker 16 son in law Leaborook
Elizabeth Chrimes 4 dau Leabrook


The one on the marriage to Elizabeth davies is aged 22 in 1876 so age out b abt 1854

So no idea how Sarah Ann Brookes connects to Emma Manders and either Unknown Walker or Joseph Davies

she is down as niece to John Walker

so she could be neice to John if John is son of Emma manders from 1st marrige

but I think that marriage in 1876 is wrong one...is there another for John Walker to an Elizabeth

GARDENER!!! NEED YOUR HELP

[SteveT]

Thanks for your help you lovely people, Sarah gave birth to my Grandfather Mark in 1899, she married my GGrandfather (also Mark) in 1902. They had two other children William (1903) and Elizabeth (1907), she died about November 1908. Elizabeth married Horace Parker (b1905) in 1929; I have no further info yet on William.

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Steve


Ok I think she is Emma Landers not manders

and this is her 1st marriage...needs tbc
1845
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WALKER Samuel LANDERS Emma Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/3/375


this is the 1876 at St Martin Tipton for a Joseph Walker and Elizabeth Davies...no idea if correct marriage ages are too out for me and occup wrong..
so think wrong marriage...
10 sept 1876 St Martin Tipton
John Walker 22 bach ironworker Tipton William Walker Iron worker
Elizabeth Davis 21 spinster Tipton George Davis labourer
banns
both sign
wit John Pool? X sarah Ann Pool

[Northern Lass]

1851 found her at leabrook wednesbury wid with lodger George Landers with her aged 14?
difficult to read....very feint

so think she is a Landers

can anyone find a bapt for her pls

[SteveT]

To throw a couple of spanners into the works, in the 1901 census there is a Sarah Ann Brookes as a domestic in West Bromwich, and in the 1891 census theres one in the Himley area of Dudley. I can recall parts of a conversation with my mom about someone on my fathers side being a domestic servant, but I'm not sure who she was on about, so the West Bromwich one could be the Sarah Ann I'm looking for, or maybe not. I will try to contact my dad's cousin to see if he knows anything.

Steve

[Northern Lass]

Steve you say Sarah Ann Brookes marries Mark do you have the full info on that marriage is her father Edward Brookes on it?

[Northern Lass]

is this the marriage
1902 BROOKES Sarah TOLLEY Mark Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/17/221

[Northern Lass]

and is this your Gfather....did you ever get the birth certif for this?
1899
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
BROOKES Mark T West Bromwich South West Sandwell Register Office WBSW/121/372


Births Mar 1899
Brookes Mark Tolley W. Bromwich 6b 884