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ARC TBC...........Rachel Manger's marriage

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I'm looking for any information on Rachel Manger(born c1870 daughter of David Manger b.1838) - the basic family tree I have shows she married an Enoch Whitehouse but none of the Enoch Whitehouses listed on the Black country Connections seem to make sense. I understand they had 8 children - one Edie married a Ron Homer but I can't find him on the connections pages. Another daughter Mabel married a Reg Moore and I'm not sure whether any of the Reginald Moores listed are connected and another daughter, Francis married a Horace Hale who I can't find and likewise their daughter Greta married a Percy Dolphin who again isn't listed.

I would be surprised if any of the above missing connections are far from the Birmingham/Black country area as I'm sure some of them visited my grandparents from there.
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1901 Census: Holt St, Cakemore, Stourbridge.
Enoch WHITEHOUSE hd.30 Draper & Hosier b.Blackheath.
Rachel WHITEHOUSE wife 31 b.Old Hill.
Hubert Enoch WHITEHOUSE son 6 b. Blackheath.
Vincent Carl WHITEHOUSE son 4 b.Blackheath.
Edith Rachel WHITEHOUSE dau.1 b.Blackheath.
Hannah MANGER sist.in law 34 Living on own means b.Old Hill.
Han Jan Brooks Serv.16 Dom.Serv. b.Old Hill.

This looks like their marriage: but cannot be looked up as Reg.Off.Marr.
1894 Dudley Reg Off. DRO/013/144.

This could be Enoch on BCC:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=346971
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This is Rachel on BCC:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=346971

1871 Census: Lawrence Lane, Row.Reg.
David MANGER hd.34 Nailer b.Rowley Regis.
Hannah MANGER wife 34 Nailer b.R.R.
Lucretia MANGER dau.13 b.R.R.
Hannah MANGER dau.11 b.R.R
Mary J.MANGER dau.4 b.R.R.
RACHEL MANGER dau.1 b.R.R.
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Are these their children:
1911 Census: 29 Beaumont Rd. Blackheath,B'ham.
Enoch WHITEHOUSE hd. 40 Gen.Draper b.Blackheath.
Rachel WHITEHOUSE wife 41 Helps in Drapery Business b.Old Hill.
Hubert Enoch WHITEHOUSE son 15 Assists in Own Drapery b.Blackheath.
Vincent Carl WHITEHOUSE son 14 Errand Boy. b.Blacheath.
Edith Rachel WHITEHOUSE dau.11 b.Blackheath.
Wilfred WHITEHOUSE son 9 b.Blackheath.
Florence Adora WHITEHOUSE dau.7 b.Blackheath.
Raymond WHITEHOUSE son 5 b.Blackheath.
Laura Mabel WHITEHOUSE dau.0 b.Blackheath.
Elsie Houghton Serv. 18 b.Blackheath.

If not them, worth adding to BCC !!
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Marriage:
Arthur R.HOMER/Edith R.WHITEHOUSE.
1921 St.Paul, Blackheath. DRO: 012/006/384.
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Nice one Sparks, they could poss connect to me :wink:

Could do with that marriage above but have connected up here - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=346998

due to the fact that Hannah MANGER sist.in law is living with Enoch and Rachel in 1901
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sparkstopper wrote:Marriage:
Arthur R.HOMER/Edith R.WHITEHOUSE.
1921 St.Paul, Blackheath. DRO: 012/006/384.


Edie married a Ron Homer


Perhaps his name was Arthur Ronald Homer?
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Mabel married a Reg Moore


Do you have the marr cert for the above?

Could it be Laura MABEL? and is his middle name REG?

Marriage 1934
WHITEHOUSE Laura M HOLMES Arthur R Rowley Regis, Methodist Church - High Street, Blackheath Sandwell Register Office 81/4/19
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Seems to be 2 Enoch Whitehouses born around 1871

1871
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
WHITEHOUSE Enoch Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/52/368
WHITEHOUSE Enoch Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/52/402


so we cant connect up without that marriage and father
which is a shame.
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Where is Enoch Whitehouse

either or both in 1891
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sparkstopper wrote:1901 Census: Holt St, Cakemore, Stourbridge.
Enoch WHITEHOUSE hd.30 Draper & Hosier b.Blackheath.
Rachel WHITEHOUSE wife 31 b.Old Hill.
Hubert Enoch WHITEHOUSE son 6 b. Blackheath.
Vincent Carl WHITEHOUSE son 4 b.Blackheath.
Edith Rachel WHITEHOUSE dau.1 b.Blackheath.
Hannah MANGER sist.in law 34 Living on own means b.Old Hill.
Han Jan Brooks Serv.16 Dom.Serv. b.Old Hill.



1911. 29 Beaumont Road, Blackheath, Birmingham.
Enoch Whitehouse 40. General draper.
Rachel Whitehouse 41. Old Hill.
Hubert Enock Whitehouse 15. Son.
Vincent Carl Whitehouse 14. Son.
Edith Rachel Whitehouse 11. Dau.
Wilfred Whitehouse 9. Son.
Florence Adore Whitehouse 7. Dau.
Raymond Whitehouse 5. Son.
Laura Mabel Whitehouse 10/12. Dau.
Elsie Houghten 18. Servant.

Married 16 years, 9 children 3 died.

Others bor
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Northern Lass wrote:Where is Enoch Whitehouse

either or both in 1891


Can only see one,
Mispelt.

1891. Oldbury.
Frank E Gadd 26.
Adah Gadd 26.
Caleb H Gadd 1.
Enoch Whitchouse 20. Drapers assistant. Blackheath.
Walter H Walker 16.
Charles S Ashcroft 14.
Martha Mills 22.
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1881, 26 Beet Street, Rowley Regis.
Will. Whitehouse 45. Bricklayer.
Eliza Whitehouse 18. The Lye, Worcs.
Mary Whitehouse 15.
Josiah Whitehouse 13.
Enoch Whitehouse 10.
Elizabeth Whitehouse 6.
Will. Whitehouse 4.

Others born Rowley Regis.

1881. White Heath, Cakemore.
Henry Whitehouse 43. Bricklayer.
Eliza Whitehouse 42.
Deborah Whitehouse 22.
William Whitehouse 17.
Eliza Whitehouse 14.
Edwin Whitehouse 12.
Enoch Whitehouse 10.
Ruth Whitehouse 8.
Thomas Whitehouse 4.
Frederick Whitehouse 1.


All born Rowley Regis.
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This looks like the other one,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1895.
WHITEHOUSE Enoch. GRIFFITHS Leah. West Bromwich Register Office (WBRO). Sandwell Register Office. WBRO/26/134.


1911. 5 Ways, 1 Broad St, Langley Near Birmingham.
Enoch Whitehouse 41. Grocer. Blackheath.
Leah Whitehouse 39.
Nellie Sarah Whitehouse 14.
Ethel May Whitehouse 13.
Marion Whitehouse 2.
Frank Enoch Whitehouse 3/12.
Lottie Masters 17.
Sarah Richardson 69. Mother-in-law.

1901. 3 Broad St, Oldbury.
Enock Whitehouse 30. Grocer. Blackheath.
Leah Whitehouse 28.
Nellie S Whitehouse 4.
Ethel M Whitehouse 3.
Lily Davies. 17. servant.
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Frodo: You need to send for Marriage Cert: for Enoch & Rachel to get
correct father ?
1894 Dudley Reg.Off: DRO/013/144
Enoch WHITEHOUSE/Rachel MANGER.
Marr: Quart: 2 Dudley.
Vol. 6C.
Page. 144.


Arthur R.HOMER/HOLMES/Edith R.WHITEHOUSE.
1921 St.Paul, Blackheath. DRO: 012/006/384.
Also:
1933 Meth.Church,High St.Rowley Regis.
Horace HALE/Frances M.WHITEHOUSE.
Sand.Reg.Off: 81/4/17.
and:
1945 Stourbridge Reg.Off: DRO: 001/08A/32
Frances M HALE/Percy DOLPHIN.
Stourbridge: Vol:6C page 143.
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