ARC TBC Loines/loins/loyns/lines etc

[keefypops]

Hi again,
Perhaps I should explain where most of my information came from. Sometime in the 1980's I paid a visit to Worcester Records
Office. I had asked for the parish register for Clent. I was presented with this plus a work by a Mr John. Amphlett*. In this he showed
how had examined the graves etc then in existence ( over 100 years ago) and prepared an alphabetical index of gravestones
he had compared the gravestone with the parish register and added useful comments. Subsequently at various times I have tried Ancestry and FMP
but made no progress regarding the Aunt /Niece Elizabeth Lines scenario. A few others have apparently tried but cannot find where the Lines came from.
My grandfather maintained they came from France, and there is a place in france called Luynes which sounds tantalising close to Lines/Loines
with a strong Black country accent. I note however the Boughton was Booton which could be a link to this so called French Connection.
I recall Mr Amphlett wrote" A Short History of Clent" and was a local dignatory and would have known the families he made comments on ( or at least some of them).
I have emailed graingers14 with a copy of the 1805 marriage and the 1841 census for Joseph Loines.
I'm not too good at IT, in my day it was paper tracing,hence the visit to WRO referred to above.
Thanks again for everyone's input thus far.
Keethypops
*1845-1918. Their family had lived in Clent since the 17th century

[Northern Lass]

Ok ...so just going thru this to add what we can that is correct.
So KPops if you could just let me know what you have re headstones or actual viewed burial entries which will save me looking up
at archives if I go.

1.
In the Clent Book the burial for Elizabeth Lines the aunt is 21 June 1805 at Clent
no age is given.

have you seen a headstone or MI note?

just trying to pin down dates and ages at death.

2 same with Elizabeth niece do you have the death certif? or have you viewed the headstone for her if there is one?
or the actual burial entry

just trying to get the actual verified viewed age of niece at death

[Northern Lass]

Also....have found some of the bapts for Joseph Loyns Loines or spellings children and added

so just to alert you if you hadnt seen them in Clent book.

[Northern Lass]

And.....here is what I think...

If Elizabeth the niece marries her Uncle

Then Elizabeth (1st) Lines ie her Aunt must be the sister of Elizabeths Father

Peterd flagged a bapt earlier

If we could find the bapt of Elizabeth Lines aunt....and see if that Edward Lines has a sister Elizabeth (as peterd suggested)
then maybe we can link Elizabeth Lines niece to the dau of Edward Lines and an Elizabeth.....bapt is a bit late in 1784...

I think maybe Elizabeth niece is born abt 1781?
as Joseph born 1797....................or that 1784 is a late bapt...........if that is her at all!

hence her death certif with actual age on
or burial entry with age on would be very very good to have.

[grangers14]

1841. Clent.
Joseph Leines 40 Nailer.
Ann Leines 35
Charles Leines 15
Joseph Leines 9
Eliza Leines 7
Edward Leines 5
Thomas Leines 1

1851. Clent.
Joseph Louis 54. Nail maker.
Ann Louis 46. Pedmore, Worcs.
Sarah Louis 23. Dau.
Thomas Louis 11. Son.
Francis Louis 7. Son.
Benjamin Louis 1. Son.
Fredrick Louis 3. Grandson.
David Louis 8 Mo. Grandson.
Others born Clent.

Very bad image.

1861. Clent.
Ann Louise 55. Widow. Pedmore, Worcs.
Sarah Louise 33. Dau.
Thomas Louise 21. Son.
Frank Louise 17. Son.
Benjamin Louise 12. Son
David Louise 10. Grandson.

LOINES Joseph. Bromsgrove. 6c. 247.

Postems for this entry:
08/12/2012. 25 Jan 1853 Clent. Joseph Loines aged 55 a Nailor. Died of Asthma 2 weeks not certified. Informant: Ann Loines of Clent. Reg'd 25 Jan 1853.

The census info you sent, Jimmy has transcribed and followed the family. We are not allowed to show full census anyway.
Would you like your forum name adding to BCC so any contact may find you here?
Jo

[Jimmy]

No thanks Jo.

[keefypops]

Hi Again,
I have been to Clent graveyard on a few occasions and it is apparently not as it was when Mr Amphlett studied the graves. A lot of the graves have been laid flat
.I found one of Ann Loines,the wife of Joseph.I will send it to grangers14 hopefully soon.
Amphlett took the details from the gravestone he saw and that is where I established their age at death.
If the request was directed to me about BCC ,then yes please, although as I've said before I'm not brilliant at IT by any means!
Thanks again to all of you trying to help me!
K

[grangers14]

I was referring to you. I will add it as connecting to you.
Jo

[keefypops]

Thanks
Looking at the photo of the grave again, it is clear her maiden name was Harris as the gravestone mentions Edward Harris was her brother.
I think she came from Pedmore.

[peterd]

wonder if this poss marriage ?

ODM

Edward Line
Elizabeth Herbert
16 Feb 1779 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick

[peterd]

poss sibling for Elizabeth

ODM

Mary Lines
Christening Date: 17 Oct 1788 KIDDERMINSTER,WORCESTER,

Father's Name: Edward Lines
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


so is this joeph kpops mention who married ann ?


Joseph Lines
Birth Date: 04 Aug 1790
Christening Date: 15 Oct 1790 KIDDERMINSTER,WORCESTER

Father's Name: Edward Lines
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

[keefypops]

Hi again,
My joseph "loines" etc was baptised 1797 in Clent.
His mother was...

Elizabeth Boughton (nee Lines) " the niece" death details viz

1843
1 Feb
Age: 62
Spring Vale, Adams Hill, Clent, Worcestershire, England
"Debility" reported by Jane Shivlock

[keefypops]

Elizabeth Boughton (nee Lines) " the niece" death details viz
Elizabeth Boughton
Registration Year: 1843
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 185

1843
1 Feb
Age: 62......................................................................................(Note ..Amphlett stated the gravestone showed 65 yrs)
Spring Vale, Adams Hill, Clent, Worcestershire, England
"Debility" reported by Jane Shivlock
keefypops

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[peterd]

poss sibling for Elizabeth

ODM

Mary Lines
Christening Date: 17 Oct 1788 KIDDERMINSTER,WORCESTER,

Father's Name: Edward Lines
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


so is this joeph kpops mention who married ann ?


Joseph Lines
Birth Date: 04 Aug 1790
Christening Date: 15 Oct 1790 KIDDERMINSTER,WORCESTER

Father's Name: Edward Lines
Mother's Name: Elizabeth

these might be Elizabeth Boughton (nee Lines) brother and sister poss why she might of called her son joseph ?

[keefypops]

Many thanks for your patience with me.
I am quite amazed with the responses so far.
I wish I could establish definitive dates/parishes of birth for both of the Elizabeths.
There is a slight inconsistency between what Amphlett recorded from the gravestone (which I
could not find incidentally) for the Elizabeth Boughton who died in 1843 from which he recorded her age as 65
whereas the public registration says she was 62.
Similarly Joseph "loines" was actually older than the 40 shown by the enumerator on the 1841
census as he was baptised in 1797! I think enumerators rounded up and down as they thought appropriate.
k