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ARC TBC..................Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Frank Spiers 1886 Walsall (6b 675)
Married in 1910 Walsall (6b 1285)
Elizabeth Hartshorne 1890

Parents Arthur Spiers & Emily Roberts

I can't add children as one is still living at the great age of 101

29/9/1918 Frank was killed in action in France (32)
Private 462011 Leicestershire regiment 1st 4th Batallion
Final resting place unknown however name listed on the Vis-En-Artois memorial Panel 5
Effects left to widow Lizzie of 94 broad stone Av Leamore Walsall

1911
52 South St Walsall
Frank Spiers 24 ? Leather worker
Elizabeth Spiers 22

Can anyone read franks occupation please

1901
59 mount St Walsall
Arthur Spiers 41 ?? Cutter Kenilworth
Emily ". 41. Wife
Harriett " 21 Daug
Ernest. ". 18. Son
Arthur. ". 16 "
Frank. ". 14 "
Emmie. ". 12. Daug
Ethel. ". 7. "
Alfred G " 5. Son
Hilda. " 2. Daug
All others born Walsall

Can anyone read all occupations please

1891 68 ??? (Can't read address )
Arthur Spiers 31 Bridle Cutter. Kenilworth
Emily. ". 31
Harriet. ". 11
Ernest " 8
Arthur. ". 6
Frank. ". 4
Emmie. ". 2
Annie. ". 7 mnths
All other born Walsall
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Franks parents

1881
41 ??? St ( can anyone read address please)
Arthur Spiers 21 bridle cutter Kenilworth
Emily. ". 21
Harriett. ". 1
All others Walsall

This looks like their marriage
22-10-1879 Rushall Staffordshire (6b 896)
Both age 20
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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mjay wrote:Frank Spiers 1886 Walsall (6b 675)
Married in 1910 Walsall (6b 1285)
Elizabeth Hartshorne 1890

Parents Arthur Spiers & Emily Roberts

I can't add children as one is still living at the great age of 101

29/9/1918 Frank was killed in action in France (32)
Private 462011 Leicestershire regiment 1st 4th Batallion
Final resting place unknown however name listed on the Vis-En-Artois memorial Panel 5
Effects left to widow Lizzie of 94 broad stone Av Leamore Walsall

1911
52 South St Walsall
Frank Spiers 24 Fancy Leather worker
Elizabeth Spiers 22

Can anyone read franks occupation please

1901
59 mount St Walsall
Arthur Spiers 41 Bridle Cutter Kenilworth
Emily ". 41. Wife
Harriett " 21 Daug
Ernest. ". 18. Son Iron Caster's Helper
Arthur. ". 16 " Iron Caster's Helper
Frank. ". 14 " Bridle Repairer
Emmie. ". 12. Daug
Ethel. ". 7. "
Alfred G " 5. Son
Hilda. " 2. Daug
All others born Walsall
All occupations are to do with leather work

Can anyone read all occupations please

1891 68 ??? (Can't read address ) South Street
Arthur Spiers 31 Bridle Cutter. Kenilworth
Emily. ". 31
Harriet. ". 11
Ernest " 8
Arthur. ". 6
Frank. ". 4
Emmie. ". 2
Annie. ". 7 mnths
All other born Walsall


1881 Address is James Street
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Thanks BC wench

1911
74 Camden St Walsall
Arthur Spiers 51 head Bridle Cutter. Kenilworth
Emily. ". 51 wife married 32 years 11 children 10 living 1 died
Edith ". 31 single Daug Warehouse clerk ( glass warehouse)
Emmie. ". 22 single Daug. ?? Leather worker
Ethel. ". 17.single. Daug. ?? Leather machinist
Alfred. ". 15 single. Son. Errand Boy ( bridle cutter)
Hilda. ". 12. School
Ida. ". 9. "
Harry ". 7. "
All others Walsall

DOB 1860 Arthur Spiers Kenilworth ( 6d 4*1)
Baptism 8-7-1860 Kenilworth parents Alfred Spiers & Charlotte Aitken
DOD 1937 Arthur Spiers 77. (6b 684) Walsall
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Had some help with Arthur Spiers marriage look up
Appears to be Arthur Spires in register for Rushall St Michael

First name(s) Emily
Last name Roberts
Age 20
Birth year 1859
Marriage year 1879
Marriage date 22 Oct 1879
Marriage place Rushall, St Michael
Denomination Anglican
Residence Butts
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Roberts
Spouse's first name(s) Arthur
Spouse's last name Spires
Spouse's age 20
Spouse's Residence Butts
Spouse's father's first name(s) Alfred
Spouse's father's last name Spires
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive Reference D3845/1/13
Page 158
Register Type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire marriages

Arthur Spiers (spires) bridle cutter
William Roberts labourer
Alfred Spiers (spires) railway guard

Witnesses George Thomas Evans & Emma Lowbridge
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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With some extra help we've found that Emily & Arthur Spiers were witness at Emily's sister Betsy Roberts marriage

11th November 1883 st Michael's church rushall Walsall
Betsy Roberts 22 S
Arthur Peakman 22 B Ironworker both signed
Both Ryecroft
Both signed
Fathers William Roberts Labourer
William Peakman Labourer
Wit: Arthur Spiers & Emily Spiers both signed

Archive ref D3845/1/13
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Arthur & Emily Spiers children

Harriet Edith Spiers 1880 (Walsall 6b 704)
Ernest Spiers 1882 (Walsall 6b 713)
Arthur Spiers 1884 (Walsall 6b 720)
Frank Spiers 1886 (Walsall 6b 675) - 1918 France ( his wife is living so can't add marriage )
Em in Elfrida Spiers 1888 (Walsall 6b 696)
Annie Spiers 1890 (Walsall 6b 637) - 1891 (Walsall 6b 461) age 1
Ethel Jane Spiers 1894 ( Walsall ? )
Alfred George Spiers 1896 (Walsall 6b 727)
Hilda Spiers 1899 ( Walsall 6b 737)
Ida Spiers 1901 ( Walsall 6b 745)
Harry Spiers 1904 ( Walsall 6b 783)
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Frank Spiers mother
Emily Roberts DOB 1859/60 think Walsall DOD (Walsall 6b 607) age 70

Looks like Emily with grandparents
1861 19 ? St Walsall
James Smith 51 day labourer. Warwickshire
Elizabeth ". 44. Wife Tamworth
Samuel. ". 28 Son Day labourer Sutton
Thomas. ". 27. ". ". ". "
John. ". 19 Son Chain maker "
Emma. ". 15. Daug. Bridle stitcher. "
Jane. ". 12. ". Scholar. Walsall
George ". 10. Son. Walsall
Emily Roberts 1 grand daughter. Walsall

1871 can't find Emily Roberts ???

Her father William Roberts born Wales @1836 - 1869 (Walsall 6b 361)
Her mother Mary (Believe to be Smith) @1839 Sutton Warwickshire - DOD between 1881-1891
can't find a marriage for them ??

Mary smith
1851 Ryecroft St Walsall
James smith 43 labourer Warwickshire
Elizabeth 40. Tamworth
Samuel. 18 Idiot.
Thomas. 16 labourer
James 14 labourer
*Mary 12 scholar
John. 9. "
Emma. 5
Jane. 2
George. 3 months

1861 175 Stafford St Walsall
William Roberts 25 labourers Wales
Mary Roberts 21 bridle stitcher Warwickshire

looks like Emily's mom Mary remarries a Dennis Vass marriage (Walsall 6b 689) but states 1867 odd when William didn't die till 1869 ??

1871 Ryecroft Hill Rushall
Denis Vass 33 labourer. Barby Northamptonshire
Mary. Vass 33. Warwickshire
Betsy Roberts 9 (Emily's sister) Walsall
Emma Vass 3
George Vass 1 month

1881 ?? Can't read address
No Denis
Mary Vass 42. Warwickshire
Betsy Roberts 19 bridle stitcher Walsall
Emma Vass. 13 bridle stitcher
George ". 11
Fred. 8
John 6
Arthur. 4
Annie 1

1891 no Mary
72 WHITEHOUSE St Walsall
Dennis Vass 55 widow general labourer. Notehhamptonshire
George ". 21 son silver plater
Fred ". 20 son ?? Saddler
John. ". 17 Son ??
Arthur ". 14 son errand boy
Annie " 11 Daug
Emma 23 Daug
Thomas sanders 26 son in law polisher
All other Walsall
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Mary Smith Roberts.
mentioned in the record of Dennis Vanse and Mary Smith Roberts.
Name: Dennis Vanse.
Birth Date: 1838.
Age: 29.
Spouse's Name: Mary Smith Roberts.
Spouse's Birth Date: 1839.
Spouse's Age: 28.
Event Date: 28 Sep 1867.
Event Place: Bloswich, Stafford, England.
Father's Name: Joseph Vanse..
Spouse's Father's Name: James Smith.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03130-8 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1278869, Reference ID: 84.
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Looks like the same Family,

Could Emmela Smith 11 be Emily Roberts

1871. Ryecroft Hill, Rushall, Staffordshire
James Smith 61. Ag lab. Sutton, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Smith 39.
Thomas Smith 36. Son.
John Smith 20. Son. Chain maker.
Emma Smith 25. Dau.
Jane Smith 22. Dau.
Emmela Smith 11. Dau. Walsall.
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Re: Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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do you need anymore on this mjay

flagging to archive if all done.
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Re: ARC TBC..................Frank Spiers 1886-1918

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Go ahead & archive Jan, ready to be added to BCC if everyone agrees all done.

All checked None on BCC

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