"Complete"Two Joseph Welch ?

[mumbles]

Could this Joseph Welch
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =344409925

be this Joseph Welch
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =623768130
son of George Welch

As 1) Calls son George
2) Live in same area as brother John Welch
3) Age and place of birth varies but Lye on 1851 Census and correct age
4) Possibly married twice ( Ancestry Trees have married to a Mary Gibbs but this I think is wrong) I think he married before 1836 and then married again after 1851

Shows Stepson Joseph Haden aged 13 in 1861 but cannot find a marriage to a Mary Haden

[peterd]

top one john

http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =344409925

1861 Census Beefeaters Lane Lye Stourbridge Worcs.
John Welch Head 45 File Cutter
Mary Welch wife 35 born Staffordshire
Emily Welch dau 16 Dressmaker
Betsey Welch dau 14
Joseph Welch son 10
Louisa Welch dau 8 Scholar
Eliza Welch dau 6 Scholar
George Welch son 2
Thomas Welch son 1
Joseph Haden stepson 13 File Cutter born Staffordshire
Rest born Lye Worcs.

[mumbles]

Thanks petted I put John on Census records but should be Joseph Welch and have amended

[Northern Lass]

So is there a marriage?

[Northern Lass]

???
1857 WELCH Joseph

LUCKUSS Mary
Dudley, St Andrew
Dudley Register Office
205/002/172

[Northern Lass]

1857 st Andrew Dudley 14 Sept
Joseph Welch F W File Smith Netherton George Welch Nailer
Mary Luckup F W Netherton Edward Haden Glass Maker
Witnesses:- Joseph Thornes. Fanny Thornes

looks like it is same one Mumbles do you want me to add and connect up?

father GEorge Haden stepson with them.

[Northern Lass]

1851
HADEN Mary LUCOCK Benjamin

Oldswinford, St Mary

Dudley Register Office

003/004/120

[Northern Lass]

There is this one but I think it is far too early....he seems to be born about 1811-1816?

so this would be out.?? if he is born abt 1811 see bapt of that date
age 15 married?


11 Sep 1826 St Thomas Dudley
Joseph WELCH -bachelor-Dudley
Mary Ann LOWE -spinster-Dudley
Wit- Patience MOORE Richard BUCKNELL
Notes
By Banns
Groom & witnesses Marked X.
Bride signed

[Northern Lass]

added in Mary Haden father was already on
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... d=88147131

[mumbles]

Thanks NL.
Now I can add children to right Mary

[Northern Lass]

Thanks NL.
Now I can add children to right Mary

Did you find a marriage Mumbles to his first wife Mary?

I couldn't see one

[mumbles]

No marriage

but one item outstanding is stepson Joseph Haden born 1848

1861 Census Beefeaters Lane Lye Stourbridge Worcs.
Joseph Welch Head 45 File Cutter
Mary Welch wife 35 born Staffordshire
Emily Welch dau 16 Dressmaker
Betsey Welch dau 14
Joseph Welch son 10
Louisa Welch dau 8 Scholar
Eliza Welch dau 6 Scholar
George Welch son 2
Thomas Welch son 1
Joseph Haden stepson 13 File Cutter born Staffordshire
Rest born Lye Worcs.
This means Mary Haden had Joseph out of wedlock before her first marriage ?

and is this Joseph Haden ?
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =290222159

as file cutter and born Lye Worcs.
but this is contradicted by his marriage which says father is Joseph Haden

[mumbles]

1851 marriage was 31/8/1851 ( select marriages) Mary Haden to Benjamin Lucock St. Mary Oldswinford

So as Census was in March 1851

This looks like Benjamin Luckock

1841 Census Beauty Bank Oldswinford Stourbridge Worcs.
Benjamin Lookcock 55 Shoemaker
Mary Lookcock 55
Agnes Lookcock 25
Benjamin Lookcock 25 Shoemaker
All born Worcs.

1841 Census Beauty Bank Oldswinford Stourbridge Worcs.
Mary Luckock Head 69 (wid) Washerwoman born Lye Waste Worcs.
Thomas Luckock son (u) 43 Cordwainer
Benjamin Luckock son 33 Cordwainer
Rest born Stourbridge Worcs.

Only Mary Haden found in 1841 and 1851 was single and a servant but in 1851 two grandchildren Joseph and Ann with grandfather Edward Haden

[Northern Lass]

I think that is Joseph Haden already on Bcc...well spotted
he prob puts down father as that ....made up of Joseph Welch and Haden ...so Joseph Haden..see that quite abit.

just added in the marriage of Benjamin Lucock.