Can we help Frodo?

mallosa · Post by **mallosa** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:23 pm

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This image is the same as one I have several copies of - sent to my father by my grandfather in 1930 as a postcard - says the 6 houses just below where the children are standing belonged to his grandma (my great grandmother) - would love to know more as my parents now deceased. My great grandmother and grandfather are Nathan Taylor (1832-1911) and Martha Manger Taylor (1864-1943).

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:51 pm

on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... lor-Family

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:55 pm

I was born at 72 Beaumont Road in 1942 ( Today it is 18 Beaumont Road)
The shop in photograph looks like Woottons Shop which was on corner of Belgrave Road and Beaumont Road.
It used to sell grocery and Sweets and a Mrs. Wooton used to run it. Shop was knocked down about 1970 and small flats built.
The houses below it I remember as their was a path that ran right round the back and you could enter between shop and houses and come out at other end.
on photograph our house was further down street on same side but not in photo.
On opposite side of road was a smaller shop run in front room of house and opposite our house was Lucy Windsors sweet shop.
Also opposite Woottons shop on Belgrave Road side was a large Drapers Shop/Warehouse.

mallosa · Post by **mallosa** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:22 am

Does that help Frodo?

Otherwise let us know so we can see if we can help further :grin:

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:37 pm

Thanks - really useful information - it confirms my suspicions that the road has been renumbered - I thought I could see the houses on Google Earth (I live near Sheffield) but the numbers made no sense. My dad has written that he used to live at number 58 - my grandparents moved to Blackpool in 1928 and Martha Manger Taylor was living with them when she died in 1943 but don't know whether she moved in 1928 or later and at what point the houses ceased to belong to her. I understand that my grandparents lived in the end house and Martha lived next to them (Nathan died 1911). I had wondered if there was another block of identical houses but maybe they were just renumbered.

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:13 pm

Will of Nathan Taylor died 15/7/1911 of Malt Mill Lane Halesowen
Probate London to widow Martha Taylor £1175 10s

Albert David Taylor married and Isabell Payton born Halesowen 1900
Married Luton 4/8/1923
Massachusetts Passenger Lists 1/9/1923 Liverpool to Boston "Samaria"
Albert David Taylor 26 Draughtsman of Luton mother Martha Taylor of 59 Beaumont Road Blackheath
Isabel Taylor wife 22
Destination New Jersey

New York Passenger lists
Liverpool to New York "Baltic" 19/2/1927
Albert Taylor 29 Draughtsman born 2/4/1897
Isabel Taylor 26
English Address :- 59 Beaumont Road Blackheath

1930 US Census 6 Precinct 26 Part Detroit Michigan
Albert Taylor 33 Draftsman born England
Isabell Taylor 29 born England
Gordon Taylor son 1 born Oklahoma

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:48 am

Mally can you add that link to the photo in the Gallery onto Bcc it would be good to have the above info from mumbles in notes etc.
or leave it here and I will add at weekend :wink:

mallosa · Post by **mallosa** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:36 am

All done Jan - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... lor-Family

mallosa · Post by **mallosa** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:17 am

Married twice?

1891: Withers Building, Halesowen
Herbert W Payton 31 Station Master
Elisabeth Payton 36 Wife born Manchester, Lancashire
Walter H Payton 4 Son
Bertram E Payton 1 Son (blind from birth)

This looks like Isabel's family ....

Marriage 1899
PAYTON Herbert W HAY Sarah A Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/007/364

1901: Prospect Row, Hill, Worc
Herbert W Payton 41 Head Railway Station Master Stourbridge, Worc
Sarah A Payton 32 Wife Halesowen, Worcestershire
Walter H Payton 14 Son Halesowen, Worcestershire
Gerald F Payton 7 Son Halesowen, Worcestershire
Isabel Payton 6 mths Dau Halesowen, Worcestershire
Harriet Green 13 Servant Halesowen, Worcestershire

Can't see any of them in 1911

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:35 am

Had a quick look at 1911 Census for Beaumont Road and there are about 30 houses there including 58 and 59
at 59 a Joseph Thomas Siviter 43 is living
1902 map shows about same number of houses
House were mainly built in groups of 4 with a covered entry between middle two which accessed a walkway to backs of houses for tradesmen, coalmen and dustmen. Some of walkways had a water pump available for all four houses.
If you Google 18 Beaumont Road you can see entry one door up now covered in with Black Door.

mallosa · Post by **mallosa** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:47 am

Interesting...so what happened to Isabels parents, do we know?

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:39 pm

1911 Census 14 Prospect Place Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Herbert Walter Payton Head 50 Station Master
Sarah Ann Payton wife 42
Married 11 Years , 5 children, 5 living
Isabel Payton dau 10 Scholar
Cyril Paytopn son 6
Archibald John Steen Payton son 4
Elizabeth Steen Payton dau 1
Gerald Ferdinand Payton step.son ( Step crossed out) 17 Goods Clerk Railway born Babington Somersets.
Charles Owen visitor 23 Goods Clerk
Florence Hazel Basterfield servant 14 General Domestic Servant
Rest born Halesowen Woolaston Worcs.

GWR Employment Record
Herbert Walter Payton born 24/3/1860 Lad Porter 1876
1879 Parcels Porter Stourbridge Town
1881 Booking Porter Bradley & Moxley
1884 Booking Porter Windmill End
1884 Relief Porter ? Birmingham Pass
1888 Booking Porter Halesowen
1890 Station Inspector Halesowen
1897 to 1904 Station Master Halesowen

Caution April 1890 Leaving his Station Without Permission and going to York
Testimonial August 1911 Commendation

mallosa · Post by **mallosa** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:17 pm

added Payton family - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ton-Family

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:45 pm

Just did an accurate check on Beaumont Road Houses
1902 Map has 18 Houses
1911 Census Has 62 Houses running from 5 upto 75 ( some gaps)
so a lot of building between 1902 and 1911
58 up to 75 look as if on Belgrave Road side of Road
and 5 up to 53 look as if on opposite side of Road
Numbers appear to change some time after 1944 when my brother was born at 72 and today when houses bear no relationship to pre-1944 numbers ( nb. 72 is now 18)

mumbles · Post by **mumbles** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:38 am

Reference 63 Houses in Beaumont Road I have Identified all families on 1911 Census and started going through them and adding to bcc.
So far I have found at least 20 are already on bcc or connect to others on bcc.
example :-
This Hadley family that connects to Rob
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =616149191
follows through to Joseph Hadley who married a Rebecca Price .
Rebecca was widowed and lived at 48 Beaumont Road in 1911

1911 Census 48 Beaumont Road Blackheath Cakemore Birmingham Worcs.
Rebeckah Hadley Head 52 (wid) Sent from son in America born Warley Worcs.
Ettie Hadley dau 18 Laundry Maid
Jenny Price adopted dau 7 born Warley Worcs.
Annie Walton dau 31 (m) Send from Husband in America
Married 4 years, 2 children 2 living
Fred Walton son
Joseph Walton
All born Hurst Green Worcs.

All these family members emigrated to New York between 1909 and 1913

I will work gradually through others families but it will take a while

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