When is a British Birth Certificate Not British Birth Cert?

[AndrewA]

Answer: When Reed Global Vetting see the birth was registered at the High Commissioner for UNited Kingdom in Singapore.


YEs folks my job application is being delayed because the vetting company are not interpreting the rules correctly. I sent them a link to the full government document on criteria which shows on page 21 the OFFICIAL British Birth Certificates which can be accepted, along with detailed explination. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... orking.pdf

The numpties replied with another link to a summary document, with just a paragraph for the above section 8 which just states

A full birth or adoption certificate issued in the UK which invludes the name(s) of at least one of the holder’s parents or adoptive parents, together with an official document giving the persons permanent National Insurance number and their name issued by a Government Agency or a previous employer.

I was told I was born in Singapore, even though it was British military Hospital, my parents are British and it was registered with the British govenment, I got the Short Certificate we are all so familiar with from ordering Birth Certificates from the GRO, so obviously it is a British Certificate issued in the UK from Londong GRO, but that is not good enough, so I need to provide a full Passport as proof to work to right. Utter nonsenense. I am still fuming over this.

I have also written to my MP for advice and help, he was the Employment Secretary in 2012/13 and is still involved with employment legislation.

[snoopysue]

Hope you get it sorted soon, Andrew.

[peterd]

there covering themselves as they can be fined and prosecuted

[AndrewA]

It is ignorant paranoia and is more than jobsworth.

Yes companies can get fined, but it obvious to just about everyone that I am British, it also states on the certificate that my parents are British, giving their place of birth. The certificate was issued by the GRO England, so obviously it is relating to a British citizen. The rules state that companies can use a certificate as evidence against a fine where the nationality of at least one parent is indicated. IN my case it is two.

I am still wound up by this.

[gardener]

Answer: When Reed Global Vetting see the birth was registered at the High Commissioner for UNited Kingdom in Singapore.

I sent them a link to the full government document on criteria which shows on page 21 the OFFICIAL British Birth Certificates which can be accepted, along with detailed explination. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... orking.pdf

A full birth or adoption certificate issued in the UK which invludes the name(s) of at least one of the holder’s parents or adoptive parents, together with an official document giving the persons permanent National Insurance number and their name issued by a Government Agency or a previous employer.

I was told I was born in Singapore, even though it was British military Hospital, my parents are British and it was registered with the British govenment, I got the Short Certificate we are all so familiar with from ordering Birth Certificates from the GRO, so obviously it is a British Certificate issued in the UK from Londong GRO, but that is not good enough, so I need to provide a full Passport as proof to work to right. Utter nonsenense. I am still fuming over this.

I have also written to my MP for advice and help, he was the Employment Secretary in 2012/13 and is still involved with employment legislation.

I don't understand. On page 21 it says that only a full birth certificate must be accepted as proof. You say that you got a short one. Is that the problem?

[grangers14]

I think it must be as gardener said. I, although born in this Country had to buy a full certificate for some things we were doing. I cant think what now but I did have to buy a full cert.
Jo

[AndrewA]

It also states that a Short birth certificate can only be used if parents nationality is indicated, as both my parents places of birth are on this, the type of certificate was not mentioned, they have told me it was rejected due to my place of birth being in British Military Hospital in Singapore, they said it threw my British nationality into question and I need a passport to verify my nationality. Bloody ridiculous, since when can someone who is NOT British obtain their birth certificate from the GRO in London?

[BC Wench]

Hello Andrew, you need to make a coffee or tea, or something stronger, sit down, inhale and exhale slowly because otherwise you’re going to blow a gasket and it isn’t going to get you anywhere. Forget about all your whys and wherefores about the short birth certificate and just order the full birth certificate, if that will solve the problem. Otherwise, you are only delaying the time when you will be able to start your new job.

Is your star sign Leo by any chance? Because my husband Ken is a Leo, and with a situation like this he would be just like you, like a dog with a bone and won’t let go, but there comes a time when you have to let go.

Here endeth my sermon for today.

Auntie Barb, problem solver

[AndrewA]

Yes Auntie Barb

Unfortunately I do suffer from high blood pressure and have a lot of stress in my life. I gave myself a migrane last night from the stress of this.

I need this job and the start date is coming up quick and the incompetance and lack of communication from Reed Global Vetting does not help matters.

Actully I am getting confudled over short and long, newbie mistake that is embarrassing to admit on a genealogy forum, I do have a "full version" as it lists both my parents names and where they were born.

I have received a reply from my MP, he has forwarded the details to the Home Office and will hear back from my MP when he has a reply.

[AndrewA]

h and by the way I am Virgo, not Leo, but I do not pay attention or believe in star signs.

[gardener]

It is sometimes enough to drive anyone nuts! I suppose if a company is making money out of this vetting thing then it is in their interests to make it complicated.

What else did you send apart from the birth certificate? It needs to be backed-up by an official document with your name and National Insurance number. Did you send that as well?
And it has to be an "original" birth certificate. By that I presume they mean one actually issued as opposed to a photocopy of one.

So, if you sent an original birth certificate AND a document with your NI number and your name then that should be OK.

Alternatively, your passport will solve the whole problem - assuming that it states you are a British citizen, if that is what you are.

(I do sympathise. My son recently applied for uni in various countries and that was a pain in the neck, involving endless expensive copies of various stuff. And it is not like they ever send them back!)

[AndrewA]

It has been a bit of a polava, The HR department advised me of documents I needed to bring at my assesment, the assesors took them away, signed a bit of paper to say they have seen original documents, photocopied the documents and sent them off to Reed GLobal.

Reed Global returned a few things saying they were incorrect, such as letters and statements from past month, instead of 3.

In short, I provided my National insurance card, Letter from the DWP with my NI number, Driving licence with counter slip and a couple of utility bills and bank statement.

This is the birth certificate I obtained from the GRO.

[gardener]

That should be enough shouldn't it?
You still have time to get it sorted though so try not to let it get you down. Can you phone them and speak to a real person?

[AndrewA]

Yes it should be enough, 2 people from XX HR department said it was fine, one person even sent to mail to Reed Global saying that the certificate was fine. For over a week now Lloyds have been carbon copying everything and sent me all the old correspondence they sent to Reed, this was when I told them that Reed said they had not received the documents and then told me once they had received them that Lloyds were the people who were blocking my Right to work, I do not think that went down with the Lloyds HR department.

I have spoken to people from Reed over the phone several times. The wall has now gone up they are not even replying to my email and just stating that it is a Singapore birth certificate and I have to get a passport to continue with the application.

That is when I contacted my MP. I can not see my MP referring the matter to the Home Office if there was something amiss and I was in the wrong, as I said he is heavily involved with employment and training so would not have wasted Home Office time if it was not right.

I would love to see the look on their faces when the Home Office tell them I am right!

I am also going to write an official complaint.

[gardener]

I love the UK system of MP's who actual do things for their constituents. It can work very well in cases like this.
Make sure you tell us when it is resolved

PS How about that free legal service thingy... citizens advice? Could they help?