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Certificate problems

Postby gillk16 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:28 am

Thomas Skinner b c 1823 Stratford on Avon, clockmaker.
1851 census - wife Elizabeth - can find no record of their marriage
1861 census - wife Emma
1862 marriage to Emily Mary Hinchin (sig shows Minchin) (think this is same Emma as 1861) - both wid - father George Hitchin wit James Pyle
1864 Alice Emma Mary born
1867 - my gggm Anne Emily born - birth cert attached - mother Emily Mary Ford - can find no marriage Thos Skinner/EMF
1871 census - widow living with dau Anna and Rose
1881 census - Alice Emma Mary living with Rose & Charles Simmons (sister)
Rose Minchin & Charles Simmons marriage - AEM witness - Rose father William Hennesy Minchin, d
1860 Wm Hennessy Minchin m Emily Mary Pyle, her fa George, butcher
Daughter Rose Harriet b 1861, Wm d before her birth

Sorry this is so lengthy. The link to me seems to be AEM being a sister to Rose on the 1881 and a witness to her wedding. This must mean that the Emily Mary married to Thos is the same one as Emily Mary Ford. So - why was George (butcher)'s name different on the marriage cert? And why was Emily Mary's name wrong on the birth cert? Could 2 registrars have made mistakes???

And apparently my copies of the certs are too big so can't upload them :roll:

Gill

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Re: Certificate problems

Postby mallosa » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:50 pm

Hi Gill, if you want to send the certs to me (jpeg) I'll resize them for you :wink:

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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gardener » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:23 pm

Anne Emily born May 23rd 1867 and Alice Emma Mary born Feb 1st 1864 were baptized together 8 May 1870, St Sepulchre parents Thomas and Emily Mary Skinner
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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gardener » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:40 pm

gillk16 wrote:
So - why was George (butcher)'s name different on the marriage cert? And why was Emily Mary's name wrong on the birth cert? Could 2 registrars have made mistakes???



I think George (butcher) is down as Hitchin on Emily Mary's marriage to Thomas Skinner simply because the registrar made an error. Must have asked for father's name and heard George. She clearly signs it as Minchin.

I don't know about the birth certificate.

Where was young Alice Emma Mary in 1871?
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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gardener » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:10 pm

Oh, this is her probably?

1871
Birmingham
Mary Garrett 66
Emma M A Garrett 26
Alice Skinner 7 grand daughter


Fits with this one who is your Thomas's mother I hope

1841
Old Stratford
Mary Skinner 35
Ann Skinner 15
Edmond Skinner 13
George Skinner 11
William Skinner 7
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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gillk16 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:17 pm

Yes I had found Alice with Mary Garrett - but can now justify it! Mary was her paternal grandmother, but had remarried hence the different name. And thank you for the 1841 census, yes I'm sure it's her, no sign of husband, must have already died.
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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gillk16 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:25 pm

Here are the certificates I was talking about and thanks to Sandra for resizing them for me!
I'm pretty sure the marriage cert is for Emily Minchin (signature quite clear) but no idea how the father's name got muddled, unless it was a registrar with poor concentration!
The birth certificate, again, is quite clearly Ford as the mother's maiden name. I have now sent off for the sister's birth cert as a double check. Again, could it just be a registrar being poor at his job?
There are so many links to the Pyle family that I'm sure she is the correct wife. Still trying to find Thomas Skinner#s wife from the 1851 census though!
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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gardener » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:49 pm

gillk16 wrote:Thomas Skinner b c 1823 Stratford on Avon, clockmaker.
1851 census - wife Elizabeth - can find no record of their marriage
1861 census - wife Emma
1862 marriage to Emily Mary Hinchin (sig shows Minchin) (think this is same Emma as 1861) - both wid - father George Hitchin wit James Pyle
1864 Alice Emma Mary born


The 1861 Emma is the right age, and I suppose that birthplaces are notoriously unreliable, but as Emily Mary and daughter are in the 1861 with her parents and sister+family I think it is questionable.
Thomas must have been quite a guy! Even discounting Emma he married twice for sure plus the elusive Elizabeth...
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Re: Certificate problems

Postby gillk16 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:53 pm

Oh you're absolutely right, I hadn't picked that up about the 1861 census. So he was married then - also had a thing about girls with names beginning with E! And the marriage to Jane didn't last ... He's been the bane of my life, the only consistency is that he was a clock maker!
Back to the drawing board .....
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