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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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peterd wrote:poss reason she puts spinster on marriage if the husbands were related ?


Hmm, That would be somewhat convenient for me so I could find this mysterious Richard Young or Youngs easier. I kind of think he just left her or was already married who knows? I did find a death of a Richard Young in 1852 in Norfolk where Mary Oakley use to live. Oakley lived near a family of youngs, but the ones around her daughter's age were Edward and Roger.

The name Young is pretty common, I think I need a little break on this branch it is making me dizzy.
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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The only Richard Young that I could find who was a groom (as per Richard jnr marriage) was living at Oxford the whole time, with his wife.
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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This is odd, I found another record of a Richard STOKES marrying Harriet Emma MEACHAM. Here are both...


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Richard Stokes
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 765
Records on Page:
Name
Sarah Foster
Harriet Emma Meacham
Abraham Rock
Richard Stokes
Source Information:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Richard Young
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 165
Records on Page:
Name
John Bushell
Elizabeth Davies
Harriet Emma Meacham
Richard Young


I don't understand. I know his entire family thought of him as a Young, I do have an old picture of him when he was younger but it's hard to tell how old he is. It was definitely taken in West Bromwich because it says so on the back. He looks like he is in his twenties maybe? I sent it to Malosa with the other Young pics. There is also one where he is about 80 sitting with Henry Archer, John Richard (my Pop-Pop), and Philip Young (great uncle who died in the war in 44').

Yes another John Richard...heh

Somewhat off topic, Richard had two sons with Archer as their middle names: Henry Archer and William Archer. That name has to come from somewhere.

Update: ..nevermind it came from Harriet's mother's maiden name: Louisa Archer. Harriet Emma Meacham did move to West Bromwich when she was 13.

Is it possible there are two Richards, one Stokes one Young who both married a Harriet Emma Meacham within a year of each other?

The 1881 census shows Harriet and Richard Young living next door to William Stokes his stepfather, plus they have a lodger Josiah MANSELL living with them. They had their first son Alfred YOUNG living with them as well. Did they marry twice? Once as Stokes then to Young? I mean there is a definite link to Stokes...

This is getting silly now :lol: didn't my great great grandfather know I'd be trying to trace my roots? Jeez!
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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need to get these looked up ?



MEACHAM Harriet E STOKES Richard 1879 West Bromwich, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 25/4/293

MEACHAM Harriet E YOUNG Richard 1880 Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 39/14/2

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poss 3 deaths


STOKES Richard 1879 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/2
STOKES Richard 1879 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/69
STOKES Richard 1880 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/247
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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So Richard Stokes is different than Richard Young....

So strange...still confused. I wish people made more creative names back then.

Back to the drawing board...
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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peterd wrote:need to get these looked up ?



MEACHAM Harriet E STOKES Richard 1879 West Bromwich, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 25/4/293

MEACHAM Harriet E YOUNG Richard 1880 Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 39/14/2

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Interesting we have the Young one on Bcc already
the other one I bet is him marrying as a Stokes..........but it will be interesting to see that look up

anyone going to Sandwell?
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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Northern Lass wrote:
peterd wrote:need to get these looked up ?



MEACHAM Harriet E STOKES Richard 1879 West Bromwich, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 25/4/293

MEACHAM Harriet E YOUNG Richard 1880 Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 39/14/2

added for look up


Interesting we have the Young one on Bcc already
the other one I bet is him marrying as a Stokes..........but it will be interesting to see that look up

anyone going to Sandwell?


PeterD found that Richard Stokes died in 1879 or 1880, so it can't be the same person. Or why would she marry the same person twice?

What is the best way to find out for sure? I can order Richard Young and Harriet Emma Meacham's wedding certificate. It should display the parents of both parties correct? I feel like I'm being annoying with my quest for Richard Young and everyone has put in a lot of work to help me out. You all have no idea how much I appreciate all of this. After the wedding certificate I could order his birth certificate.

My search has turned into quite a mess with lots of odd leads, I even looked under criminal records for Richard Young Sr. To explain his disappearance. (There are some) Richard Young was a very popular name in England. It is also hard for me since I am not familiar with the geography of England, I use three pieces of equipment, one to constantly google cities. I am getting familiar with Staffordshire for sure.

Also is "The Genealogist" website worth the money? I hear great things...

I am definitely at a brick wall with this man. The Stokes thing makes sense until I found two different marriage records and Peter found his death date.

I guess I could look at other branches but I have most of them down except my father's, all I have is names. The Greeks did not document things very well. It is almost impossible to find out anything about my Greek side except through word of mouth.

Sorry for the messy post, overall I would like some advice about what my next step should be :)

Thank you kindly
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peterd wrote:poss 3 deaths


STOKES Richard 1879 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/2
STOKES Richard 1879 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/69
STOKES Richard 1880 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/247



the above means that 3 people called richard stokes died in 1879-80 none of them could be the one who married harriett
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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I have come across the same people marrying twice with different names

maybe they married first using wrong name
then they married again

this marriage we have posted info on so you dont need to order that..see on Bcc and below
MEACHAM Harriet E YOUNG Richard 1880 Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 39/14/2

11 Apr 1880 St Martin Tipton
Richard YOUNG 28 B Gas Erector Tipton Father Richard Young Groom?
Harriet Emma MEACHAM 24 S Tipton Father William MEACHAM Coach Painter
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Daniel Bennett / Ann Bennett X

The other one would be useful to get
MEACHAM Harriet E STOKES Richard 1879 West Bromwich, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 25/4/293

but hold your horses someone might be able to get the info give it a couple of weeks. :wink:

I think it is same guy he marries as Richard Stokes ..........then maybe is told he should have married under Young as that was his name.
So marries again

you could always order his birth certif too to check that is him registered in 1851
up to you.
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Re: Diversion from Richard Young (I think I have cracked it!

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peterd wrote:
peterd wrote:poss 3 deaths


STOKES Richard 1879 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/2
STOKES Richard 1879 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/69
STOKES Richard 1880 - West Bromwich South West West Midlands Sandwell Register Office WBSW/39/247



the above means that 3 people called richard stokes died in 1879-80 none of them could be the one who married harriett


the above look like not your Richard Young/Stokes as he was born 1851
Deaths Sep 1879
Stokes Richard 56 W. Bromwich 6b 364

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Deaths Dec 1879
Stokes Richard 0 W. Bromwich 6b 459

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Deaths Mar 1880
Stokes Richard 1 W. Bromwich 6b 461
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flagging to archive pending look up
we can then see if same guy or not
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