Arc pending look up...Diversion from Richard Young

[gardener]

I am posting this in case it comes in handy one day

1911 has Richard Young in Stockton on Tees
Lousia Ann Stother 54 (should read Louisa Ann Stokes, born 1857 West Bromwich, down as head but it looks as though sister has been crossed out)
Louie Murice Evans 23 (born 1888 West Bromwich, niece of Louisa Ann)
Richard Young 59

1891 West Bromwich
William Stokes 78 born West Brom
Mary Ann Stokes 65 born Wednesbury
Leanna Ann Richards 41 (says Louisa Ann) unm niece born West Brom
Elizabeth A Evans 14 (granddaughter) born West Brom
William A Evans 7 (grandson) born Monmouthshire
Tassia M Evans 3 (granddaughter) born West Brom (says Louisa M)

1881 West Bromwich
William Stokes 65
Mary A. Stokes 55
Samuel Stokes 18
Alice Stokes 13
John Richards 35 (stepson)

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Richard Young 29
Harriet E. Young 25
Alfred R. Young 1
Josiah J. Mansell 24

1871 West Bromwich
William Stakes 56 (reads Stokes) born Wednesbury
Mary Ann Stakes 43 born West Brom, as all kids)
Richard Stakes 19
Hannah Stakes 16
Louisa Stakes 14
Joseph Stakes 12
Samuel Stakes 9
Alice Stakes 3

1871 Wset Brom
Nancey Mansell 41
Samuel Mansell 14
Thomas Mansell 12
Frances Mansell 10
Mary A Mansell 7
Mary Oakley 82

1861 West Bromwich
William Stokes 43
Mary A Stokes 33
John Stokes 14
Richard Stokes 10
Hannah Stokes 6
Lousia A Stokes 4
Joseph Stokes 1

1861 West Bromwich
Mary Oakley 72
John Richards 15

1851 West Bromwich
John Oakley 44
Mary Oakley 51
John Richards 25 unm wife's son
Maryann Young 24 m wife's dau
John Richards 5 grandson

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Samuel Mansell 23
Nancy Mansell 21 (see post below, this is Nancy Richards)


1853 marriage
STOKES William RICHARDS Mary A Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/013/178

Make what you will of that! Perhaps Mary Ann was not actually married to Mr Young (Richard I presume to fit with the baptism of Richard Young in 1851 at West Brom)

Name: Richard Young
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 May 1851
Baptism Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Father: Richard Young
Mother: Mary Ann

This is Louisa Ann's baptism
Name: Louisa Ann Stokes
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 15 Mar 1857
Baptism Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Father: William Stokes
Mother: Mary Ann

[gardener]

So anyway, I think that Richard Stokes is actually the person baptized as Richard Young.

Anyone buy that idea?

[gardener]

1871 West BRomwich
Nancey Mansell 41
Samuel Mansell 14
Thomas Mansell 12
Frances Mansell 10
Mary A Mansell 7
Mary Oakley 82

that is the same Mary Oakley and she is down as mother in law ... to the absent Samuel Mansell I think.

Mar qtr 1851
Ann Hulme Allin
Charles Arblaster
Henry Dyer
Charlotte Ironmonger
John Langstone
Samuel Mansell
Nancy Richards
Edward Smith
Jane Thomas

[gardener]

Seem to have siblings:

Nancy b.abt. 1830
John b.abt. 1826
Mary Ann b. abt. 1827

Mother Mary Richards from Norfolk.
Could be this marriage for her perhaps?

John Oakeley

marriage: 2 September 1833 Saint Phillips,Birmingham,Warwick,England

spouse: Mary Richards

[gardener]

1881 West Bromwich
William Stokes 65
Mary A. Stokes 55
Samuel Stokes 18
Alice Stokes 13
John Richards 35 (stepson)

I think this John Richards married in Lambeth Jan 28th 1885
wife Sarah Eliza Hunt but John left his father's name blanck

1891 Lambeth
Sarah E Richards 41
John W Richards 6
Charlotte C Richards 4

1901 West Brom
John Richards 55
Sarah Richards 50
John Richards 16
Charlette Richards 14

1911 West Brom
John Richards 65
Sarah Eliza Richards 60
John William Richards 26

So, I think we need this marriage 1853 marriage
STOKES William RICHARDS Mary A Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/013/178 to find out who Mary Ann's father was.

[GreekEnglishGal]

It's really late here, will have to read this again tomorrow a couple more times

I hope this doesn't change my beautiful tree! Ha!

[Northern Lass]

So anyway, I think that Richard Stokes is actually the person baptized as Richard Young.

Anyone buy that idea?

I think you are right going to add in notes on Bcc

[Northern Lass]

was there a birth for a Richard Young /or a Richard Stokes that fits

[Northern Lass]

So Richard Young ..........made up name?
or someone that is the father...............but Mary Ann richards never married.

and her Mother Mary Oakley nee Richards looks like not married either previous to Oakley.

[gardener]

Hmm! Good question.


Births Jun 1851
Young Richard W Bromwich 18 663

There is this one, though I can't find him in the 1851 census:

Births Dec 1850
Stokes Richard W Bromwich 18 609

He might have died before 1861 census.

I tried to find William Stokes in 1841 to see what children he has there but i can't find him. It is all a bit confusing.

[gardener]

So Richard Young ..........made up name?
or someone that is the father...............but Mary Ann richards never married.

and her Mother Mary Oakley nee Richards looks like not married either previous to Oakley.

Mary Oakley was from Norfolk I think, so perhaps she married elsewhere?

[GreekEnglishGal]

was there a birth for a Richard Young /or a Richard Stokes that fits

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Richard Young
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 30 May 1852
Baptism Place: Saint Chad,Lichfield,Stafford,England
Father:
Mother:
FHL Film Number: 435789, 435790

Just because it goes with my theory

[Northern Lass]

On the baptims for Mary Richards/Oakleys kids does it not have father just Mary Richards

cos on marriage she is a widow....so odd no father on bapt....and odd John Richards doesn't put father
so perhaps widow is made up?

2nd Sept 1833 St Phillip B'ham
John Oakley otp bach
Mary Richards otp widow
banns
John signed X Mary Richards
wit X Sarah Parkes Thos Parkes

[Northern Lass]

Hmm! Good question.


Births Jun 1851
Young Richard W Bromwich 18 663

There is this one, though I can't find him in the 1851 census:

Births Dec 1850
Stokes Richard W Bromwich 18 609

He might have died before 1861 census.

I tried to find William Stokes in 1841 to see what children he has there but i can't find him. It is all a bit confusing.

Needs the birth certifs to be sure doesnt it we need mother to be a Mary Ann Richards.

[GreekEnglishGal]

I also think his parents were Richard Young 1812-1891 and Susan Adlam 1812-1883; they also lived in Lichfield when Richard Young was born . Harriet is from Lichfield too, lived in Bromwich in 1871. Richard and Harriet lived together in 1881 on 32 Hill Street. I just noticed right next door on 30 Hill Street there is a William Stokes(65) and his wife Mary A. (55)....they live with their step-son John Richards who is either 25 or 35 can't read it.

I'm confused now too many Williams and Richards...