Arc tbc........James Harper and Leah Grigg

[nailer2011]

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... er=294428#

Although this couple are referred to in another link (ie Joseph Harper and Hannah Clift), I think it would be helpful if we could agree on the make-up of this family .

As we have already identified, James Harper was christened in St John the Baptist Church, Halesowen on 5 April 1767 and a Family Search record shows a Leah Griggs was christened in the same Church on 19 April 1772; also that James and Leah were married in St John’s Church on 11 January 1794. The supporting records also show that James’ parents were Joseph and Sarah Harper and that Leah’s mother was ‘Elish’ Griggs. However, the ‘Transcript of Halesowen Parish Registers’ shows the mother’s name as ‘Eliz’ (presumably short for Elizabeth).

Further, the 'Transcript of Halesowen Parish Registers' shows that four (4) children of James and Leah were christened in St John’s Church; Elizabeth, christened on 14 September 1794; Ruth, christened on 25 December 1795; Hannah, christened on 18 March 1798; and, William, christened on 4 May 1800.

Also, records were found which show the christenings of another three (3) children in Cradley Chapel; James, christened on 30 January 1803; Benjamin, christened on 8 March 1805; and, Ann Louisa, on 2 April 1809.

As previously mentioned The 1841 census shows James and Leah living in Colley Gate, Cradley and James is described as a ‘Labourer’; with them is their son, James, who is also described as a ‘Labourer’.

A BMD record was found showing the death of Leah in the September quarter of 1843 and this is supported by an online parish record which shows her burial in the graveyard of St John’s Church, Halesowen on 20 August 1843, aged 74 years; the record shows her abode at the time of her death was Cradley.

Subsequently, another BMD record was found showing the death of James in the March quarter of 1851 and this is also supported by an online parish record which shows his burial in the graveyard of St John’s Church, Halesowen on 26 January 1851, aged 85 years; the record shows his abode at the time of his death was Cradley.

Lets hope this one is more straightforward

H.

[peterd]

then you also have james poss 1851 & 61

poss.
1851 colley orchard, Tays Lane Cradley

James Harper 52 single Ag lab cradley


1861 Tays Lane Cradley

Benjamin Harper Head Widr 56 Nailer
Thomas Harper Son 20 Nailer
Moses Harper Son 17 Nailer
Eli Harper Son 12 Nailer
Mary A Harper Daur 8 Scholar
William Southall Son in Law Boarder 30 Nailer
Matilda Southall Daur Boarder 27 Nailer
Caleb Southall Grandson Boarder 8 Scholar
Rhoda Southall Grand Daur Boarder 7 Scholar
William S Southall Grandson Boarder 5 Scholar
James Harper Brother Unm 58 Ag Lab All Born Cradley

[peterd]

1871 Colley Orchard, Cradley

Benj Henper (harper) 67 wid Nailor
Moses Henper 25 nailor
Eli Henper 22 nailor
Mary Ann Henper 18 brickmaker
Janes Harper 69 brother, visitor
all born cradley

[FarSide]

The other kids - names are too common

Ann Louisa, on 2 April 1809

Bapt St Peter, Cradley 2 Apr 1809

Marriage
Clent
8 Aug 1830
Joseph Kendrick, X, of the parish of Rowley Regis, bach
Ann Louiza Harper, X, of the parish of Rowley Regis, sp
by Banns
Wit - Benjamin Harper, X and William Harper

On BCC....
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

Ruth, christened on 25 December 1795

Poss
Name: Benjamin Trueman
Spouse's Name: Ruth Harper
Event Date: 01 Mar 1818
Event Place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04027-1
System Origin: England-ODM

added Benjamin moons ago... married a Ruth Harper...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =363727987

[nailer2011]

Peter/Farside,

My direct interest in this family is through Ann Louisa Harper, the daughter of James and Leah, who, as you have shown, married Joseph Kendrick. The daughter of Joseph and Ann Louisa, Ann Maria Kendrick, was my gt gt grandmother. You will have noted that the witnesses to the marriage of Joseph and Ann Louisa were a Benjamin and William Harper, who are other children of James and Leah.

Peter, I have the same record of Leah and James's son, James, as you have outlined. Rev Thompson's Note of 1863 also shows him living with his brother Benjamin in Tye's Lane. There is a BMD record of the death of a James Harper in the June quarter of 1871 and a further record of the burial of a James Harper in St John's, Halesowen on 14 May 1871 (aged 68 years).

I also found records of the death of a Benjamin Harper in 1871 , including a burial in St Johns on 23 April 1871 (aged 66 years).

Another researcher of the Griggs family has suggested that the Mary Ann Harper who married Benjamin may have been the daughter of Joseph and Sarah Cox. Of course, if this Joseph and Sarah were the family of Joseph and Sarah Forrest, rather than Joseph and Hannah Clift, this would make Mary Ann his cousin! I also noted a BMD record of the death of a Mary Ann Harper in 1859 and a burial record in St Johns of a Mary Ann Harper on 10 April 1859. This is consistent with the 1861 census record showing Benjamin as a 'widower'.

Farside, With regard to the other children, I agree that identification is more difficult. Regarding daughter, Elizabeth, one possibility is the one who married a Benjamin Cox in St John's on 5 June 1825 (which is on BCC) or the one who married a Thomas Dean in St Johns on 26 December 1826 but...
I also identified the marriage of Ruth that you posted and there is a marriage record of a Hannah Harper to a William Moore in St Thomas, Dudley on 21 September 1818 but these will have to be verified.
There is also a record of the marriage of a William Harper (witness to marriage of Ann Louisa Harper) to a Mary Bowen in St Johns, Halesowen on 28 April 1823.

What do you think
H

[nailer2011]

I meant to add that I did not fully understand the comment about 'names being too common' . I agree regarding possible marriages but the birth records do identify the parents of all these children as James and Leah Harper.

H

[FarSide]

There is also a record of the marriage of a William Harper (witness to marriage of Ann Louisa Harper) to a Mary Bowen in St Johns, Halesowen on 28 April 1823.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... per-Family

1841
Cradley
William Harper 40 - Nailer
Mary Harper 45
Charles Harper 15
Simion Harper 15
Emma Harper 10
all b in c

Poss burials
Halesowen
3 Oct 1841, Mary Harper, 47, Cradley.
3 Jun 1849, William Harper, 49, Cradley

[FarSide]

I meant to add that I did not fully understand the comment about 'names being too common' . I agree regarding possible marriages but the birth records do identify the parents of all these children as James and Leah Harper.
H

I didn't mean it to come across like that, I meant when searching the kids marriages e.g. Hannah and bro William, there were lots of them, too many to make a call, whereas Ruth and Ann Louisa were easier to pick out.

[FarSide]

Added these for marriage lookups

Elizabeth Harper & Thomas Dean in St Johns on 26 December 1826
Hannah Harper to a William Moore in St Thomas, Dudley on 21 September 1818
William Harper & Mary Bowen in St Johns, Halesowen on 28 April 1823

[FarSide]

1871 Colley Orchard, Cradley

Benj Henper (harper) 67 wid Nailor
Moses Henper 25 nailor
Eli Henper 22 nailor
Mary Ann Henper 18 brickmaker
Janes Harper 69 brother, visitor
all born cradley

Poss burial
Halesowen
14 May 1871, James Harper, 68, Cradley

[nailer2011]

Thanks both I look forward to seeing the results of the look ups re various marriages.

H

[peterd]

there about 10 marriages between the harpers and the southalls will put anouth 3 on for lookup see where they connect

[Northern Lass]

Connected up Ann Louisa
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =292536526

[Northern Lass]

Connected up Ruth
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =308267403

[Northern Lass]

Added you in nailer2011 in notes

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=35193522