ARC TBC - marriage record for William Breadon early 1790s

[dbraden]

Hi All,

I am trying to find a marriage record for a man named William Breadon and a woman named Hannah. William's surname could also be spelled Breeden, Braden, Braiden, even Brydean or with almost any vowel combination in either syllable. William and Hannah baptised at least 4 of their children in St Thomas, Dudley:

Hannah bp 25 Sept 1796
Mary bp 30 Jan 1803
William bp 27 Oct 1805
Jane bp 14 May 1809

But where and when were William and Hannah married? I have checked the IGI for all of England, plus freereg.org, Ancestry and familysearch.org. There is a marriage record in Birmingham St Martin for a William Breedon and Hannah Taylor on 8 December 1788, but I am quite certain that they are a different couple, because the St Martin registers show a number of subsequent baptisms to parents with these names, and they overlap with those in Dudley St Thomas.

I do have a bit more information. The GRO has a record of a William Braden, age 80, dying in Tipton on 5 April 1838. The burial register of St Thomas, Dudley shows William "Breadon", age 68, abode Tipton, buried 8 April 1838. Despite the large discrepancy in the ages, I am sure these are the same person, and I also think this William is the same one whose marriage record I am seeking. So if he was 68 in 1838 then he was born about 1770, but I can't find any baptismal record for him that looks convincing. The William Breedon christened in St Martins Birmingham on 19 May 1769 is presumably the one who married Hannah Taylor in the same church in 1788, and I don't think that is the right man.

Incidentally, the William Braden baptised in 1805 here is the same man who married Mary Ann Taylor in Sedgley in 1829. Their family is already on BCC. William died (killed in a mine according to family history) in 1835 and his wife married Isaac Darby. The Hannah Braden baptised in 1796 married Stephen Bate in Tipton in 1819. I don't know what happened to Mary or Jane. Jane might be the one who married Abraham Roper in Kingswinford in 1828.

Dale

[Northern Lass]

HI

so you mean this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =911427964

and we can put his dob as 1805

do you want your name in notes?

and do these link to the other Braden who married your Mallen

can we connect if so what do I need to add to make the connection?

[rockyfowler]

21 May 1838 St Mary Kingswinford
Isaac DARBY O W Labourer Brockmoor Bridge Father Isaac Darby Labourer
Mary Ann BRADING O W Brockmoor Bridge Father William Taylor Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; William Johnson X / Abigail Johnson

[dbraden]

HI

so you mean this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =911427964

and we can put his dob as 1805

do you want your name in notes?

and do these link to the other Braden who married your Mallen

can we connect if so what do I need to add to make the connection?

Yes, that is the right link into the BCC tree. Please do add my name to the notes. William's son John is the one who married Sarah Mallin in 1854, and that connects these two family trees.

[Northern Lass]

21 May 1838 St Mary Kingswinford
Isaac DARBY O W Labourer Brockmoor Bridge Father Isaac Darby Labourer
Mary Ann BRADING O W Brockmoor Bridge Father William Taylor Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; William Johnson X / Abigail Johnson

Thanks Rf adding now

[dbraden]

I found a bit more information on this thread. I found a baptism record for another child of William and Hannah in St Thomas, Dudley:

Margaret dr. of William and Hannah Briden 7 October 1792

which pushes the marriage date back even further.

I also located census records for Hannah, who survived her husband when he died in 1838:

1841 Tipton, Upper Green
Hannah Brading, 75, born in Staffordshire
Wm Calles, 20, puddler, born in Staffordshire
Sarah Calles, 25, born in Staffordshire
Henry Calles, 6 wks, born in Staffordshire

1851 Tipton, Hall St.
Hannah Braden, head, widow, 88, parish relief, born Kingswinford, deaf
Samuel Thompson, lodger, married, 31, moulder, born Bilston
Mary Ann Thompson, lodger, married, 30, dress maker, born Lestershire, Lester

Then there is the GRO death record of Hannah "Breathen" first quarter of 1852, TIP/16/348. Despite the butchery of the surname spelling, this must be her. If the 1851 census is right about her being born in Kingswinford, then maybe that is where she and William got married. But the records of the parish church (St Mary) seem to have been indexed for the IGI, and I haven't found any marriage for William and Hannah.

[Northern Lass]

Can anyone see a marriage pls
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =405575039

[BC Wench]

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?
Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to the Brickwalls Archived section
within 24 hours

[dbraden]

I haven't found this marriage record. But I did learn about the Stamp Duty Act of 1783 which affected the recording of marriages (and presumably baptisms and burials) from 1784 until 1794. Apparently the 3d duty on each parish register entry caused some events to not be recorded at all, while others recorded the participants as being paupers when they really weren't. I wonder now if this marriage did in fact take place in St Thomas, Dudley (as I would expect) but was not recorded because of the odious stamp duty. Does anybody know any more about the effects of this Stamp Duty Act?

[BC Wench]

I found this regarding Stamp Duty. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... ty1783.htm

Mmm, thinking about your question of a marriage taking place but not entered in the Parish Register - personally I don't think this would have happened as there would have been numerous couples who couldn't have afforded the 3d stamp duty. Even if the marriage wasn't entered in the Parish Register, the Banns would still have had to have been called on 3 consecutive Sundays. Perhaps the couple never got married, or even married years after their children were born. I know of somebody who couldn't find a marriage for their ancestors after looking 5 years either side of the first child and eventually found a marriage 20 years later!

[BC Wench]

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to the Brickwalls Archived section
within 24 hours

[dbraden]

I still have not found the desired marriage record, so you can move this thread to the brickwalls section.