ARC TBC.................Emily Mallen and Thomas Shakespeare

[Jimmy]

1861. Nelson Inn, Dudley Street, Kingswinford.
Thomas Shakespeare 35. Blacksmith.
Margerite Shakespeare 33.
Joseph Shakespeare 13.
Thomas Shakespeare 11.
Harriett Shakespeare 11.
William H Shakespeare 7.
Margerett Shakespeare 4.
John Shakespeare 2 Weeks.

1871. 29 Vine Street, Dudley.
Thomas Shakespear 42.
Margaret Shakespear 42.
Joseph Shakespear 22.
Thomas Shakespear 21.
Sarah A Shakespear 21.
William Shakespear 17.
Margaret Shakespear 14.
John Shakespear 10.
Daniel Shakespear 8.
Alfred Shakespear 5.
Aurthur Shakespear 3.

[Jimmy]

And the other one,

1861. Bell Street, Kingswinford.
Sophia Perry 63.
Daniel Perry 33.
Martha Perry 28.
Thos Shakespear 29. Miner. Boarder. Brierley Hill.

1871. Great Preston, Yorkshire.
Thomas Shakespear 40. Coal miner. Brierly Hill.
Anne Shakespear 35. Bulmer, Yorkshire.

[Jimmy]

You can rule out the one married to Margaret, he dies,

1881. 29 Vine Street, Dudley.
Margaret Shakspeare 52. Widow.
John Shakspeare 20.
John Shakspeare 18.
Alfred Shakspeare 15.
Arthur Shakspeare 13.

Deaths Mar 1878.
Shakespeare Thomas. 49. Dudley. 6c. 102

[Jimmy]

And the other one,

1861. Bell Street, Kingswinford.
Sophia Perry 63.
Daniel Perry 33.
Martha Perry 28.
Thos Shakespear 29. Miner. Boarder. Brierley Hill.

1871. Great Preston, Yorkshire.
Thomas Shakespear 40. Coal miner. Brierly Hill.
Anne Shakespear 35. Bulmer, Yorkshire.

1881. Brampton, Derbyshire.
Thomas Shakspeare 53. Coal miner. Kingswinford.
Ann Shakspeare 49. Bulmer, Yorkshire.

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Jimmy

do you think that is Thomas that marries Emily?

[Jimmy]

Don't know but I havn't been able to find Thomas and Anne after 1881

[sp1]

Here are all of the Thomas Shakespeares bapt at Brierley Hill between 1820-1840:

1828 22-Jun Thos Shakespeare Son of Danl & Sarah, Brockmoor, Blacksmith
1829 12-Apr Thos Shakespeare Son of Thos & Mary Anne, West Bromwich, Collier
1832 18-Oct Thomas Shakespeare Son of Elijah & Mary Anne, Brierley Hill, Collier

There do not appear to be burials for any of them at Brierley Hill up to about 1890.

[sp1]

1851. Harts Hill, Kingswinford
Thomas Shekerpen 22. Blacksmith.
Margaret Shekerpen 28.
Joseph Shekerpen 2.
Thomas Shekerpen 1.

All born Kingswinford.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1847.
SHAKESPEAR Thomas. WILLIAMS Margaret. Wordsley, Holy Trinity. Dudley Register Office. 018/002/468.

This marriage would probably rule out one of them if his father is named.

Thomas & Margaret lived at Harts Hill (which is in Dudley!) - Thomas was a Blacksmith - their last child that I have any record of was bapt 1867 at Brierley Hill (think all of their children were bat there)

[sp1]

Only 2 possilbles I can see.

1841. Kingswinford.
Daniel Shakespeare 45. Blacksmith.
Sarah Shakespeare 45.
Daniel Shakespeare 14.
Thomas Shakespeare 12.
Susannah Shakespeare 9.
Mary Shakespeare 7.
Anthony Shakespeare 20.
Ann Shakespeare 20.
Sarah Shakespeare 8 Mo.

Name: Thos Shakespeare.
Gender: Male.
Christening Date: 22 Jun 1828.
Christening Place: BRIERLEY HILL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND .
Father's Name: Danl Shakespeare.
Mother's Name: Sarah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03392-2.
System Origin: England-ODM.
GS Film number: 426499, 426500.

Or,

1841. Kingswinford.
Sarah Shakespeare 60.
Maria Shakespeare 25.
Thomas Shakespeare 10. Miner.

This Thomas with Sarah and Maria is the son of Elijah - he is Sarah's grandson - Sarah was the wife of Benjamin, b abt 1777 - they are Elijah's parents.

[Northern Lass]

I thought we could rule out the one married to Margaret...as he dies..

[sp1]

I thought we could rule out the one married to Margaret...as he dies..

Yes, but knowing who his father is from his marriage would reduce the list of possibles.

[Northern Lass]

I thought we could rule out the one married to Margaret...as he dies..

Yes, but knowing who his father is from his marriage would reduce the list of possibles.

But if our Thomas is alive when this one is dead ....then it isnt him ............


I need to go thru this as lost where it has weaved to.

I thought we were after Thomas Shakespeare
here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =843346778

and trying to link him in but he is alive
1891. 13 Waterloo Rd, Harborne.
Thomas Sharespere 68. can't make out occupation. Dudley, Staffordshire.
Emala Sharespere 49. trans on Ances...as...Muherham, Denbighshire. looks more like Sunderland on image.
Malley Mallen 11. Visitor. Stepney, London.


1901; 13 Waterloo Rd, Smethwick
Thomas Shakespear 70 Stationeer, shopkeeper, Dudley
Emala Shakespear 52 sunderland


poss death free bmd
Deaths Mar 1902.
Shakespeare Thomas 78. King's N. 6c. 301.


on 1891 looks like Engine Driver to me

[Northern Lass]

I think that 1891 says his occupation is Engine Driver


1881: 4 Mount Pleasnt Bearwood Hill North
Benjamin Attwood 50 Engine Driver In Forge born South of France (added to BCC - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ood-Family)
Ann Attwood 55 Brewood, born Staffordshire
Thomas Shakespear 60 Wid Engine Driver In Forge born Brierley Hill, Staffordshire

next door ...

Isaac Mallin 74 Glass Maker
Mary Mallin 73
Emala Mallin 40 Dau Southwick, Durham
Wesley Mallin 30 Son Unm Smethwick, Staffordshire
Thomas Cane 28 Lodger Unm Labourer In Iron Works
Henry Bills 22 Lodger Unm Engine Driver In Iron Works

it has to be this one......

[Northern Lass]

We have the one on Bcc with father Daniel and mother sarah and that Thos's marriage
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... nd=7708445

[Northern Lass]

Here are all of the Thomas Shakespeares bapt at Brierley Hill between 1820-1840:

1828 22-Jun Thos Shakespeare Son of Danl & Sarah, Brockmoor, Blacksmith
1829 12-Apr Thos Shakespeare Son of Thos & Mary Anne, West Bromwich, Collier
1832 18-Oct Thomas Shakespeare Son of Elijah & Mary Anne, Brierley Hill, Collier

There do not appear to be burials for any of them at Brierley Hill up to about 1890.

so it isnt the Daniel and Sarah one

but it could be the 1829 or 1832 one.

here is 1829 one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=12264339

and here is 1832 one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =644871793