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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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hmmm dunno...

come on Farside and Di crack this one!

Phillis is the key here sure of it

Joseph b 1832 married to Mary Ann looks like he has parents Samuel Taylor and Phillis unknown - info from Marriage and bapt at st thomas

Joshua b 1839 looks like he could be that one with parents John and Mary Suki found at St Giles RR in 1845 bapt age 6 same day as his future wife!!

but then why is that Phillis living near him on the 2 census?

There is a Joshua with a John Taylor on the 1851 he is a widow
Phillis Taylor is on the 1851 with looks like a Sarah Whiteall/Whitehall/ Whittall

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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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and the answer is??

anyone got a handle on this yet?

Q did a Samuel Taylor marry a Phillis?
is so where is the marriage?

Q Is Phillis a Whiteall or Whitall or variant....can we find a bapt?

Q Did John Taylor marry a Phillis...I dont think he did

Q How will I get thru the day not knowing the answer to this!

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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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I have a baptism for a Joseph Taylor 11/02/1827 parents Samuel and Martha - village Nailer
but then there are lots and lots of Taylors in st giles parish records oh what we wouldn't give for an unusual name.
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Posting this to try and piece it together

1841
Finger? hole, RowleyJoseph Whitehall 59 - Nailor
Sarah Whitehall 69
Elijah Whitehall 25 - Nailor
Ruth Whitehall 25
Sarah Whitehall 6
Tabitha Whitehall 4
Emanuel Whitehall 2
Philip Taylor 35 - (def Phillis)
Mary Taylor 12
Joseph Taylor 9
Samuel Taylor 7
William Taylor 5
all b in c

Next door
William Woodall 45 - Nailor
Elizbath Woodall 40
Edward Woodall 15
Pheby Whitehall 30 - Nailor
Mary Whitehall 10
Samuel Whitehall 7

Couple of door away
Def Morton
Elizbeth Martin 35 - Nailor
Emma Martin 15
Mary Martin 12
Thomas Martin 8
William Martin 5
Elizbath Martin 2
Marya Martin 10
John Simpson 20
Fanny Simpson 20
all b in c
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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1851 Census Gadds Green Rowley Regis
Joseph Whitehall h m 69 nailforger b RR
Sarah Whitehall wife 77 nailforger b RR
Phillis Taylor Inmate widow 46 nail forger b RR
Joseph Taylor Inmate u 18 Coalminer b RR
Samuel Taylor son 16 Coalminer b RR
William Taylor son 14 nail forger b RR

1861
104
Gadd Green, Rowley
Joseph Taylor 22 - Labourer (this has to be Joshua)
Eve Taylor 22 - Nailor
Francis Taylor 1

105
Sarah Whitall 90 - Pauper

106
Philis Taylor 56 - Nailor
Joseph Taylor 28 - son - Coalminer
all b Rowley

1871
218
Gadds Green, Rowley
Pasi Whitehall 29 - Miner
Catherine Whitehall 29 - Nailor
Joseph Hodgetts 9 - Stepson
May Whitehall 7
Wm Whitehall 5
Elijah Whitehall 3
Prissiller Whitehall 1
Philliser Taylor 69 - Boarder - Inmate? - Nailor
all b Rowley
next door

217
Joshua Taylor 31 - Labourer
Eve Taylor 29 - Nailor
Fanny Taylor 11
Poley Taylor 9
Ann Selina Taylor 7
Geor Taylor 5
Elizebth Taylor 2
Emmi Taylor 5 months
all b Rowley

1881 5 Gadds Green Rowley Regis, Stafford
Josuah TAYLOR 40 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Labourer At Quarry
Eve TAYLOR 39 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Fanny TAYLOR 21 Dau U Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Mary TAYLOR 19 Dau U Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Selina TAYLOR 16 Dau Rowley Regis, Stafford, General Serv (Domestic)
George TAYLOR 15 Son Rowley Regis, Stafford, Stone Breaker
Elizabeth TAYLOR 12 Dau Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Emila TAYLOR 9 Dau Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Samuel TAYLOR 8 Son Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Sarah Ann TAYLOR 6 Dau Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Nelly TAYLOR 2 Dau Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Edith TAYLOR Grand Daur 7 m Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Next Door:
4 Gadds Green Rowley Regis, Staffs
Thomas HILL 29 Rowley Regis, Staffs Curb Stone Dresser
Mary HILL 28 Dudley, Worcester,
Edward HILL 9 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Cicily HILL 7 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
John HILL 3 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Joseph HILL 1 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Phillis TAYLOR Lodger U 76 Rowley Regis, Stafford, No Occupation
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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suki wrote:I have a baptism for a Joseph Taylor 11/02/1827 parents Samuel and Martha - village Nailer
but then there are lots and lots of Taylors in st giles parish records oh what we wouldn't give for an unusual name.


rite this one have got on Connections but only had mother for Joseph so nice one can fill in father for that one
but not ours...

1861: Rowley Village
Joseph Taylor 34
Ann Taylor 29
George Taylor 8
Martha Taylor 68 Wid (Joseph`s mother perhaps?)
Samuel Taylor 7
Thomas Taylor 3
Sarah Taylor 11 Mo
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Ok found the marriage for Joseph and Sarah....she is a Taylor!

JOSEPH WHITTALL
Spouse: SARAH TAYLOR Family
Marriage: 11 APR 1813 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, Extracted marriage

now Joseph is a Whittal not a Whitehall and down the census this lot are near Whittalls
so will enter this lot as that.

Joseph is b abt 1782 and Sarah 1771 ish

so was she married to a Taylor prev?
or was she unmarried either way that is where the Phillis Taylor came from.

I will look up the marriage of Joshua Taylor to Eve
I think he is the son of Phillis

but this concerns me
Poss bapt 16-3-1845 St Giles RR age 6 son of John and Mary Taylor Village nailer
same day as future wife Eve!

but is Joseph? son Of Phillis?
She has a joseph with her similar age in 1861 but different occup ie a coal miner not labourer
and Joseph is married with wife mary ann by then
so I dont think the Joseph that married Mary ann is the son of Phillis

That Bapt is at St Thomas Dudley
The marriage of Joseph is father Samuel a nailer

I have added a bapt which I am now doubting
it was for parents Samuel and Phillis in 1832
going to look at that at archives see what his prof was
and abode
cos this lot are RRegis.

I am disconnecting Phillis from samuel

So can we find on the 1851 a Samuel TAylor a nailer with son Joseph Taylor b abt 1832?

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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Poss
1851
71
Village, Rowley
Samuel Taylor 62 - Nailor
Hannah Taylor 60 - Nailor
John Taylor 23 - Boilermaker
Joseph Taylor 20 - Blacksmith
Eliza Howell 28 - Daug - Widow - Nailor
Samuel Howell 7 - grandson
Job Howell 5 - grandson - b Dudley
Emma Taylor 16 - grandaug
others b Rowley
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FarSide wrote:Poss
1851
71
Village, Rowley
Samuel Taylor 62 - Nailor
Hannah Taylor 60 - Nailor
John Taylor 23 - Boilermaker
Joseph Taylor 20 - Blacksmith
Eliza Howell 28 - Daug - Widow - Nailor
Samuel Howell 7 - grandson
Job Howell 5 - grandson - b Dudley
Emma Taylor 16 - grandaug
others b Rowley


I reckon that is them!!
nice one FS

boilermaker for John
that is what Joseph is later
and the name Hannah
their dau is that
excellent
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Well I know I started this thread off but, I got lost along the way :?

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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Rite I have been looking at this and taken a huge leap correctly I hope.

Need you to look at it and see what you think.

I believe that Phillis Taylor never married
I think her parents are a Josiah Taylor and Sarah Hipkiss
he dies and Sarah Taylor(nee Hipkiss) marries Joseph Whitall
they have more kids.

I have added the marriages to Connections just waiting to confirm a marriage at St Giles RRegis for Josiah Taylor and Sarah Hipkiss as being either 1793 or 1795

Now I think this Sarah Hipkiss is the dau of John Hipkiss and Mary Whorton

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =733443224

I need confirmation of the bapt info for Sarah Hipkiss
I need confirmation of the marriage of Josiah Taylor and Sarah Hipkiss
and any witnesses
I need conf of the death in 1806 for Josiah Taylor

need other kids for Josiah Taylor and Sarah

and

other kids for Joseph Whitall and Sarah
think one was Elijah and one Issiah/Issac from memory

and need someone to let me know what they think
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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I have just been looking again at this Joshua Taylor
I wonder if Phillis is sister to John Taylor.

can anyone find this John on the 1851 census possibly with a dau Harriet b 1850

This John and Mary Taylor appear to be having kids at RRegis living the village
from 1822- 1850

think I saw a John Taylor widow with a Joshua on the 1851.

1839
TAYLOR Joshua Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/2/427

so yes the marriage look up will show me father
but I am wondering what the Phillis connection is?

Where is Joshua in 1841 and 1851
does John Taylor die
is he sister to Phillis :?
or is Mary?
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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Is this the John Taylor you are looking for NL?

Village 1851
John Taylor Wid 46 Nailer all born RR
Hannah D 22
Rebecca D 16
Henry Son 14
Joshua Son 12
Phoebe D 9
Wm Grandson 14 months
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linell wrote:Is this the John Taylor you are looking for NL?

Village 1851
John Taylor Wid 46 Nailer all born RR
Hannah D 22
Rebecca D 16
Henry Son 14
Joshua Son 12
Phoebe D 9
Wm Grandson 14 months


that is the one Linell

I wondered if that was the John we need ahead of the marriage look up for this Joshua who marries Eve Moreton?

the Joshua would fit, area is good,

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Re: Joseph Taylor b1832 R/Regis

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Or there's this one also 1851 Village

Job Hipkiss 45 Nailer
Hannah Wife 45
Joseph Price Nephew 6
James Doubless Lodger Widower 60 Wigann Lancs
John Taylor Lodger U 50
All born RR except the Lodger from Wigan.
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