Searching Ancestry.com today at the library, I came across one of my ancestors, Bloomfield T Warman, listed as having died in The Great War-
Name: Bloomfield Thomas Warman
Birth Place: Kentish Town, London, N.W.
Death Date: 13 Mar 1918
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Woolwich, Kent
Rank: Gunner
Regiment: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Number: 174306
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly Se/89, R.A.V.C
My first port of call was to search CWGC but absolutely no joy, not even any B.Warmans on there? I've got him in the census up to 1901, and now I'm very confused! Any light anyone can shed on other places to look would be much appreciated.
Thank you!
ARC TBC......soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
1901
WARMAN, Bloomfield Head Married M 48 1853 Cab Proprietor
Bradenhanly
Norfolk
WARMAN, Kate Wife Married F 45 1856
Malvern
Worcestershire
WARMAN, Bloomfield Son Single M 18 1883 Foreman In Cab Yard
Kentish T
London
WARMAN, Herbert Son Single M 16 1885 Engaged In Cab Yard
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, James Son M 14 1887 Engaged In Cab Yard
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, Grace Daughter F 12 1889
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, Walter Son M 10 1891
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, Ernest Son M 6 1895
Finsbury P
London
135, Kings Road, St Pancras County:
London
WARMAN, Bloomfield Head Married M 48 1853 Cab Proprietor
Bradenhanly
Norfolk
WARMAN, Kate Wife Married F 45 1856
Malvern
Worcestershire
WARMAN, Bloomfield Son Single M 18 1883 Foreman In Cab Yard
Kentish T
London
WARMAN, Herbert Son Single M 16 1885 Engaged In Cab Yard
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, James Son M 14 1887 Engaged In Cab Yard
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, Grace Daughter F 12 1889
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, Walter Son M 10 1891
Finsbury P
London
WARMAN, Ernest Son M 6 1895
Finsbury P
London
135, Kings Road, St Pancras County:
London
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
Catherine and younger ones in 1911
1911 272 St Anns Road Tottenham N
WARMAN, Catherine Head Widow F 57 1854 Removal Contractors Worcester Married38 years 9 children born and living -- crossed out
WARMAN, Catherine Daughter Single F 23 1888 Domestic London Finsbury Park
WARMAN, Grace Daughter Single F 21 1890 Domestic London Finsbury Park
WARMAN, Walter Son Single M 20 1891 Contractor's Son Carman London Finsbury Park
WARMAN, Ernest Son Single M 16 1895 Contractor's Son Horse-Keeper London Finsbury Park
1911 272 St Anns Road Tottenham N
WARMAN, Catherine Head Widow F 57 1854 Removal Contractors Worcester Married38 years 9 children born and living -- crossed out
WARMAN, Catherine Daughter Single F 23 1888 Domestic London Finsbury Park
WARMAN, Grace Daughter Single F 21 1890 Domestic London Finsbury Park
WARMAN, Walter Son Single M 20 1891 Contractor's Son Carman London Finsbury Park
WARMAN, Ernest Son Single M 16 1895 Contractor's Son Horse-Keeper London Finsbury Park
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
using geoffs search engine for cwgc and typing in service number, you get this man!
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_det ... lty=579797
date matches, there are mistakes on cwgc and soldiers died i dont know who is right!
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_det ... lty=579797
date matches, there are mistakes on cwgc and soldiers died i dont know who is right!
It must come to a fight . Only make the right wing strong
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
clarkes medal index card confims service with a.v.c. number s.e.89. so i would say it is same man! no idea why he served as clarke!
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
I was checking for aliases and came across the same bloke.
Description
Medal card of Clarke, James
Corps Regiment No Rank
Army Veterinary Corps SE/89 Private
Royal Field Artillery 174306 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/4links to the Catalogue
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece Campbell H - Cooke W E
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection
Bloomfield Thomas Warman does not appear in the armed forces BMD as a casualty.
I can find no Medal Card for a Warman with that regimental number.
I have tried variations of hte spelling of hte surname and got nowhere.
I would say he used a different name because:
a) he was rejected when he applied under his real name.
b) he was underage (according to the medal card, he arrived very early in the war).
c) he did not want his family to know.
Description
Medal card of Clarke, James
Corps Regiment No Rank
Army Veterinary Corps SE/89 Private
Royal Field Artillery 174306 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/4links to the Catalogue
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
Piece Campbell H - Cooke W E
Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection
Bloomfield Thomas Warman does not appear in the armed forces BMD as a casualty.
I can find no Medal Card for a Warman with that regimental number.
I have tried variations of hte spelling of hte surname and got nowhere.
I would say he used a different name because:
a) he was rejected when he applied under his real name.
b) he was underage (according to the medal card, he arrived very early in the war).
c) he did not want his family to know.
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
You can order his certificate from the GRO.
Name: CLARKE, James
Unit: Royal Field Artillery
Rank: Gunner
Number: 174306
Year: 1918
Volume: A.8
Page: 361
Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to1921)
Name: CLARKE, James
Unit: Royal Field Artillery
Rank: Gunner
Number: 174306
Year: 1918
Volume: A.8
Page: 361
Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to1921)
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
I think he abandoned his wife.
He married Alice Vanderville in 1902.
Name: WARMAN, Bloomfield Thomas & Alice Vanderville
Registration District: Help Pancras
County: London
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 1B
Page No: 334
this is her livingin a two room hovell in 1911 with no means of support.
1911 census transcription details for: 36 Sussex Street Poplar E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1724 RG78PN60 RD22 SD3 ED8 SN166
Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Poplar
Parish: Poplar Borough Enum. District: 8
Address: 36 Sussex Street Poplar E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WARMAN, Alice Wife Married 10 years F 31 1880 London Whitechapel
This is her in 1891
1891 census transcription details for: 1, Beaconsfield Villa, Harringay Road, Tottenham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1076 Folio: 77 Page: 71
Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Tottenham
Parish: Tottenham Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Beaconsfield Villa, Harringay Road, Tottenham
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
VANDERVILLE, John Head Married M 64 1827 Bricklayer St Pancras London
VANDERVILLE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 58 1833 St PancrasLondon
VANDERVILLE, Susanah Daughter Single F 24 1867 Laundress St PancrasLondon
VANDERVILLE, Alice Daughter Single F 2 1869 Laundress Islington London
This is her in 1901.
1891 census transcription details for: 14, Regent Terrace, Islington, London
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 154 Folio: 175 Page: 14
Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Islington South West
Parish: Islington Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 14, Regent Terrace, Islington, London
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
VAN DER WALLE, John T Head Married M 39 1852 Bricklayer Kentish Town London
VAN DER WALLE, Alice Wife Married F 31 1860 St Pancras London
VAN DER WALLE, Alice Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar Islington London
He married Alice Vanderville in 1902.
Name: WARMAN, Bloomfield Thomas & Alice Vanderville
Registration District: Help Pancras
County: London
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 1B
Page No: 334
this is her livingin a two room hovell in 1911 with no means of support.
1911 census transcription details for: 36 Sussex Street Poplar E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN1724 RG78PN60 RD22 SD3 ED8 SN166
Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Poplar
Parish: Poplar Borough Enum. District: 8
Address: 36 Sussex Street Poplar E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
WARMAN, Alice Wife Married 10 years F 31 1880 London Whitechapel
This is her in 1891
1891 census transcription details for: 1, Beaconsfield Villa, Harringay Road, Tottenham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1076 Folio: 77 Page: 71
Reg. District: Edmonton Sub District: Tottenham
Parish: Tottenham Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Beaconsfield Villa, Harringay Road, Tottenham
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
VANDERVILLE, John Head Married M 64 1827 Bricklayer St Pancras London
VANDERVILLE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 58 1833 St PancrasLondon
VANDERVILLE, Susanah Daughter Single F 24 1867 Laundress St PancrasLondon
VANDERVILLE, Alice Daughter Single F 2 1869 Laundress Islington London
This is her in 1901.
1891 census transcription details for: 14, Regent Terrace, Islington, London
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 154 Folio: 175 Page: 14
Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Islington South West
Parish: Islington Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 14, Regent Terrace, Islington, London
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
VAN DER WALLE, John T Head Married M 39 1852 Bricklayer Kentish Town London
VAN DER WALLE, Alice Wife Married F 31 1860 St Pancras London
VAN DER WALLE, Alice Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar Islington London
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
Oh, wow, I can't thank you all enough, I had never thought he would be serving under a different name, though i did think he could be underage.
Thank you so much!!
Thank you so much!!
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
collenpamela
I recently saw the discussion arising from your query about Bloomfield Thomas Warman....he was my husband Mike's great grandfather.I am researching the family history and have used the UK census to trace this Warman line back to 1820, if that is of any interest - you may have done that already.
We would be interested to know about your family connection with Bloomfield.
lindawatts
I recently saw the discussion arising from your query about Bloomfield Thomas Warman....he was my husband Mike's great grandfather.I am researching the family history and have used the UK census to trace this Warman line back to 1820, if that is of any interest - you may have done that already.
We would be interested to know about your family connection with Bloomfield.
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Re: I have a soldier who doesn't seem to be listed at CWGC?
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