ARC TBC - Stumped

[gardener]

Is it worth getting the birth certificate for Ethel Vera May? Just to confirm her mother's maiden name?
One possibility is that the maiden name given on her death certificate is wrong. Or it could be a name from a previous marriage. Or it could be her maiden name but her marriage to James was a 2nd marriage. And the number of years married on the 1911 census may be incorrect.

[Taffster]

Is it worth getting the birth certificate for Ethel Vera May? Just to confirm her mother's maiden name?
One possibility is that the maiden name given on her death certificate is wrong. Or it could be a name from a previous marriage. Or it could be her maiden name but her marriage to James was a 2nd marriage. And the number of years married on the 1911 census may be incorrect.

She was definitely Baugh, as I manged to find her living with her parents when she was younger. The number of years married matches, married in 1883 and 28 years on the 1911 census. Wish I could find the names of the children. They could have been born anywhere. Will sit down and have a good look at this on my day off and think of a new avenue to pursue.

[gardener]

She was definitely Baugh, as I manged to find her living with her parents when she was younger. The number of years married matches, married in 1883 and 28 years on the 1911 census. Wish I could find the names of the children. They could have been born anywhere. Will sit down and have a good look at this on my day off and think of a new avenue to pursue.

Which marriage? Can you post the details off FBMD or somewhere?

[Taffster]

She was definitely Baugh, as I manged to find her living with her parents when she was younger. The number of years married matches, married in 1883 and 28 years on the 1911 census. Wish I could find the names of the children. They could have been born anywhere. Will sit down and have a good look at this on my day off and think of a new avenue to pursue.

Which marriage? Can you post the details off FBMD or somewhere?

Just had a quick look on free BMD. I initially searched for a marriage for James Martin Wolverhampton based on the fact that they had been married 28 years in 1911 and that he originated from there.

Cross checked by looking for a marriage of Elizabeth Baugh, but no matching date. I need to spend some time finding the correct date of the marriage.

[Northern Lass]

This one is Baugh but a sarah did Elizabeth have a sister?

Marriages Dec 1882
Baugh Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 962
Coxall Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 962
Johnson Harry Wolverhampton 6b 962
Martin James Wolverhampton 6b 962


not the one on free bmd for Elizabeth Ball as those couples pair up like this
1883
MARTIN James Adams BURTON Mary Minnie E Stafford, Forebridge, St Paul Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE19/01/454

and
1883
BALL Elizabeth HARROLD Charles Marshall Stafford, Forebridge, St Paul Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE19/01/453

[Northern Lass]

As they are Black Country Area putting it on BCC here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =763375307

Do you want your username in notes adding Taffster

Do you have birth certif for James?
or any of the kids?

[Northern Lass]

I have been tracing one of my ancestors, and have found him in the 1911 census with his wife. From local cemetery records, it shows his wife died in 1912, and a death certificate confirms it is her. There is no record in any of the local cemeteries for him. I thought he may have been cremated.

Checked on Free BMD and found some suitable dates and ages that match. Contacted the local registry office with details, and they told me it's not him.

I am now thinking that he may have moved and gone to live with one of his children, whom I do not know the names of. He could have died anywhere in the country and at any time after 1912.

Had thought of looking on free BMD for dates and age at death, but that will return hundreds of matches all over the country between 1912 - 1940 or so.

Any ideas ?

Can you transcribe and post the death certif info I can add to BCC then

might help too

Where is her death on freebmd...did she die in Staffs?

[Northern Lass]

Is it worth getting the birth certificate for Ethel Vera May? Just to confirm her mother's maiden name?
One possibility is that the maiden name given on her death certificate is wrong. Or it could be a name from a previous marriage. Or it could be her maiden name but her marriage to James was a 2nd marriage. And the number of years married on the 1911 census may be incorrect.

I think the maiden name needs to be confirmed by one of the birth certifs.

How do you actually know it is Baugh?

how are the kids registered?

[Northern Lass]

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Clifford Dora Phillips Coventry 6d 575

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Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Thompson Dora Coventry 6d 553

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Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
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Mountfort Dora Coventry 6d 565

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Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Symonds Dora Mabel Coventry 6d 620

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Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
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ANDREWS Dora May Coventry 6d 595
SADLER Dora Coventry 6d 605

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Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Marshall Dora Amelia Coventry 6d 580
Pearce Dora Coventry 6d 557

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Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Jones Dora Elizabeth B Coventry 6d 524

[Taffster]

This one is Baugh but a sarah did Elizabeth have a sister?

Marriages Dec 1882
Baugh Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 962
Martin James Wolverhampton 6b 962

Just spent a while on free BMD and found the same as above, before I looked here. Maybe her name was Sarah Elizabeth Baugh. They seem to have moved around a bit, with a Dora being born in Coventry 1899 and then I find no trace of them in the 1891 & 1901 census. I have a birth certificate for Ethel May Vera 1903 and they now live in Pontypool. Sarah/Eliza died in 1912 and is buried in a local cemetery (From the burial records held at the church)

[Taffster]

The only James Martin I can find born around that time (1864) Seems he was working away at that time, and possibly in 1901.

[Northern Lass]

It would be interesting to see occup of that James on the W'ton marriage.

Could this be one of the other children

the bapt would have his occupation on

Name: Letitia Martin
Christening Date: 26 Nov 1884
Christening Place: St Matthew's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father's Name: James Martin
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02325-9
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1517620



Births Mar 1884
Martin Letitia Wolverhampton 6b 595

Some of the Ancestry trees have her down as marrying a John Halfpenny
and parents as Sarah Baugh and James Martin and dying in POntypool

[Northern Lass]

1881 ?? St Wolverhampton
Edward Baugh 58 head miner in coal
Letitia Baugh 58 wife
John Baugh 25 son labourer in iron works
Maria Baugh 18 dau
Sarah Baugh 18 dau
George Baugh 14 dau
all born Wolverhampton

1891 Back of Eagle? Edge ??? Wolverhampton
Edward Baugh 67 head general labourer in iron works
Lethia Baugh 61 wife
Sarah A Martin 31 dau married galvaniser? of ?????
Joseph Baugh 16 grandson
Lethia Martin 7 grand dau
Joseph Baugh 1
all born Wolverhampton

Name: Leatitia Halfpenny
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1883
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1969
Age at Death: 86
Registration District: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 1363

[Taffster]

It would be interesting to see occup of that James on the W'ton marriage.

Could this be one of the other children

the bapt would have his occupation on

Name: Letitia Martin
Christening Date: 26 Nov 1884
Christening Place: St Matthew's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father's Name: James Martin
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02325-9
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1517620



Births Mar 1884
Martin Letitia Wolverhampton 6b 595

Some of the Ancestry trees have her down as marrying a John Halfpenny
and parents as Sarah Baugh and James Martin and dying in POntypool

That's them. The pic was of a census search I found, which kept recurring. After checking back to 1871, it's nothing to do with my line. I will digest the latest info this afternoon and update my records.

Thanks

[Northern Lass]

Odd though that Letitia dies in pontypool

I wonder if James Martin marries this Sarah Baugh but they split up
and he ends up with Elizabeth Baugh...

I still think that marriage would be interesting to see his occupation
could be your James