ARC TBC - Rabl - Rable brick wall

[benne42]

Hi All,

I am a novice at the Genealogy thing and was wondering if anyone could suggest any other avenues of research for my "˜brick wall"™ below (this has the potential to be a "˜breeze block wall"™ due to my novice status) but any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

I am searching for the birth record for my Grandfather and marriage certificate for my GGF/GGM. I have found the family on the 1911 census in Lambeth, London and my GF is aged 2 (birth 1909 believe Feb).

The census shows that my GGF was born in Austria and my GGM in Dublin and they indicated on the census that they had been married for 4 years. I hoping the marriage certificate will provide some more information regarding the Austria/Dublin birth link as my current searches on Ancestry, FMP and Irish census has drawn a blank.

I have found a record for my GF"™s sister (Mary Jospehine Rabl) in 1910, so they were aware of the need to register.

For the record, my

GGF is John Rabl (B 1884 Austria)
GGM is Dora Rabl (B 1889 Dublin) "“ full name is Dorothea M Rabl (formerly Morris)
GF is John Joseph Rabl (later John Joseph Patrick Rable "“ marriage cert)
In addition to my GF, they had 4 other children (Mary, Dorothy, Kathleen and Rose)

Census is for York Road, Lambeth and the birth dates have been obtained from the ages in the document.

Around 1914, the family anglicised the surname to Rable

I have found Dora on a Electorial roll in 1934 however, I have found no trace of my GGF other than the 1911 census

Thanks and regards,

John

[MarkCDodd]

Just so we have the 1911 census to start with....

1911 census transcription details for: 67 York Road Lambeth S E

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1951 RG78PN69 RD25 SD1 ED9 SN355
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Lambeth Church
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 9
Address: 67 York Road Lambeth S E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
RABL, John Head Married M 27 1884 Hotel Waiter Austria
RABL, Dora Wife Married 4 years F 23 1888 Dublin
RABL, Mary Josephine Daughter F 1 1910 London Lambeth
RABL, John Joseph Son M 2 1909 London Lambeth

[mallosa]

Could this be John's brother....

1911: 56 Monkland Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Leo Rebl 30 Head Hotel Porter born in Austria - Married 9 Years - 3 children born alive/ 3 still living
Maria Elisabeth Rebl 32 Wife
Ethel Maria Rebl 7 Dau
Edith Rebl 6 Dau
Harry Rebl 2 Son
(others born Middlesbrough)

1901: 19 ?? Hotel, Old Cliff, Scarbrough, Yorkshire
Thomas A P Ashley 38 Head Hotel Keeper Pub? Bradford, Yorkshire
Emily V Ashley 35 Wife Birmingham Warwickshire
Ethel M Ashley 12 Birmingham
Dorothy E Ashley 10 Birmingham
Tom L Ashley 2 Scarbrough
A S Hack 67 Nottingham
Esther Swinburn 62 Yorkshire
Leo Rebl 19 Servant S Waiter in House & ? Austria
Ann Bashford 53 Serv
Isabella Gregg 39 Serv

[benne42]

MarkCDodd

That is census record, thank you

Mallosa

All information relating to my GGF is being discovered from the records, it is possible that Rebl/Rabl's are related, thank you

Cheers

[peterd]

Births Jun 1910
RABL Mary Josephine Southwark 1d 77


Births Dec 1911
Rabl Dorothy L Morris Lambeth 1d 527

[MarkCDodd]

I see Mary traveled to New York in 1936. She was living at Elm Lodge, Highgate at the time of the trip, 18th November 1936.

No occupation on the 1936 trip but she is a Film Artiste on a 1938 trip. Living at 15A Ayimer Parade, London N13.

No occupation listed for a 1939 trip. Living St Regis, Ho. London.

[mallosa]

MarkCDodd

That is census record, thank you

Mallosa

All information relating to my GGF is being discovered from the records, it is possible that Rebl/Rabl's are related, thank you

Cheers

Sorry to divert from you initial enquiry but found this marriage...

Marriages Dec 1902
Elliott Emilie Scarbro' 9d 806
Rebb Leopold Scarbro' 9d 806
Rebl Leopold Scarbro' 9d 806
Scruton Maria Elizabeth Scarbro' 9d 806
Wright Arthur Ernest Scarbro' 9d 806

[gardener]

In addition to my GF, they had 4 other children (Mary, Dorothy, Kathleen and Rose)

Was there a Veronica too?
The 1934 electoral register has Dora, as you say, and Kathleen and Veronica.

[benne42]

Hi All,

Thanks for all your help,

I accessed the Ancestry site in the library across the road from work to look at the Passenger lists. I can find 4 records, in the 1936/37 journeys, her age is correct however, and interesting thing to note from the 1937 trip is she lists her 'Race' as Hebrew as opposed to English on the earlier trip. In the 1938/39 journeys, she is 3-years younger and the 'Race' is Hebrew.

Is this possibly an Austrian/Jewish connection?

Other than the obvious, (not being registered or being born abroad) is there any other possibility as to why we can not find a record for John Joseph Rabl being born in 1909?

Once again, thanks for all your help

Cheers

[mallosa]

Births Jun 1910
RABL Mary Josephine Southwark 1d 77


Births Dec 1911
Rabl Dorothy L Morris Lambeth 1d 527

Births Jun 1913
Rabl Kathleen Morris Marylebone 1a 885

[BC Wench]

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