Alice Wilson - Complete

[descartes46]

Hi forum,

After a bit of trial and error I finally obtained the correct marraige certificate for my ancestor Alice BAKER from Lichfield. It appears she married John Wilson (also from Lichfield) on 2nd July 1852 in St Mary's, Lichfield. Witnessed by her father Samuel BAKER and Sarah BAKER. Rather frustratingly (and after all that effort), I've not been able to find her in any census records after this date...

Any chance somebody with a bit more experience could have a look to see why this might be?

Thanks,
Darren

[linell]

When and where was she born Darren?

Linell.

[descartes46]

When and where was she born Darren?

Linell.

Hi Linell,
She was born in 1823 in Lichfield, St Mary.

Thanks,
Darren

[Jimmy]

What was John Wilsons occupation and his fathers name and occupation.

[Jimmy]

There was a John and Alice Wilson who emigrated in 1854, both aged 29,

John Wilson. occupation on image looks like Tailor.
Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1854.
Birth Date: abt 1825.
Age: 29.
Gender: Male.
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English.
Place of Origin: England.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England.
Destination: United States of America.
Port of Arrival: New York.
Port Arrival State: New York.
Port Arrival Country: United States.
Ship Name: Empire State.
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Alice Wilson.
Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1854.
Birth Date: abt 1825.
Age: 29.
Gender: Female.
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English.
Place of Origin: England.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England.
Destination: United States of America.
Port of Arrival: New York.
Port Arrival State: New York.
Port Arrival Country: United States.
Ship Name: Empire State.
Search Ship Database: Search the Empire State in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database.

[Jimmy]

1870. Brooklyn Ward 11, Kings, New York.
John Wilson 45. Tailor. England.
Alice Wilson 45. Keeping house. England.
Mary Allen 23. Tailoress. New Jersey.

[Jimmy]

1860. Brooklyn Ward 6 District 1, Kings, New York.
Ann Emalia 65. New Jersey.
John Wilson 25. 25 on image. no occupation down. England.
Alice Wilson 35. England.
Jane Wilson 22. servant. Ireland.


1880. Brooklyn, Kings, New York.
John Wilson 55. Merchant Tailor. England.
Alice Wilson 55. Keeping house. England.
George H Allen 19. Tailor. Canada.

[descartes46]

What was John Wilsons occupation and his fathers name and occupation.

Hi Jimmy,

Thanks for the immigration information that you found. I wonder if that is them?
The wedding certificate lists his occupation as 'brickmaker' ... his father was also called John Wilson. He is also recorded as being a brickmaker.

Darren

[Jimmy]

Is there an age for John on marriage cert.

[descartes46]

Is there an age for John on marriage cert.

unfortunately not, Jimmy. They are both listed in age column as 'full age' which isnt very helpful for family tree researchers! ha ha.

[Jimmy]

These are the only 2 John Wilsons I can see connected to the brick trade.

1841. Burton Upon Trent.
John Wilson 55. Brick ?????
John Wilson Junr 20. Brick ????? looks like 30 on image.
Martha Wilson 20.
Edwin Brialy 5.
Ann Wood 15.

1851. Stoke upon Trent.
Charlotte Fewell 30.
Frances Fewell 4.
Joseph Elkin 14.
John Wilson 44. Labourer at brick work. Sandon, Staffs.
Thomas Brindley 28.
Henry Gray 24.

[Jimmy]

Could this be the one in America,

1851.
John Wilson. Occupation Tailor.
Age: 26.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825.
Relation: Patient.
Gender: M (Male).
Where born: Ockley, Surrey, England.
Civil parish: Westminster St Margaret.
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret.
County/Island: Middlesex.
Country: England.
Registration district: Westminster.
Sub-registration district: St Margaret.
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse of St Margaret and St John the Evangelist.

[descartes46]

Could this be the one in America,

1851.
John Wilson. Occupation Tailor.
Age: 26.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825.
Relation: Patient.
Gender: M (Male).
Where born: Ockley, Surrey, England.
Civil parish: Westminster St Margaret.
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret.
County/Island: Middlesex.
Country: England.
Registration district: Westminster.
Sub-registration district: St Margaret.
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse of St Margaret and St John the Evangelist.

Hi Jimmy,
Thanks for all your help with this. It seems I'm in even more of a pickle with Alice now. Hmmm I wonder if they could have got the occupation wrong on the wedding certificate and this is the correct Alice and John Wilson that went over to the United States?

[Jimmy]

It wouldnt be the first time they got it wrong, they are the best match that I could see.

[linell]

When and where was she born Darren?

Linell.

Hi Linell,
She was born in 1823 in Lichfield, St Mary.

Thanks,
Darren

I was there on Saturday Darren, have you been? Glad Jimmy has found your Alice, not sure about the Brick Maker and Tailor though, two ends of the social spectre Linell.