ARC TBC - WALSH

[mactavish]

Lydia Walsh is my Great Grandmother. Here is Lydia in 1871, 1861 & 1851 with her family on the census returns, per Ancestry.

At New Cross, Manchester in 1871;

James Walsh Head 49 Power Loom Over-looker Lancs. Over Darwen
Mary Walsh Wife 50 Lancs. Chorley
Eliza Walsh Dau 16 Weaver Cheshire, Stockport
Lydia Walsh Dau 19 Weaver Cheshire, Stockport
Emma Ollerton Dau 21 Weaver Cheshire, Stockport
Sarah Ollerton G Dau 3 Lancs. Chorley

James has three wives over the piece (Sarah 1851, Mary 1871 & Elizabeth 1881). To lose one wife is unfortunate to lose two is just careless!

In the 1871 census return Lydia"™s sister Emma Jane has a married name of Ollerton. There is child with the same surname aged 3.

At Alfred Court, Chorley, Lancs. In 1861;

James Walsh Head 39 Cotton Weaver Lancs. Over Darwen
Emma Jane Walsh Dau 14 Cotton Weaver Cheshire, Stockport
Lydia Walsh Dau 10 Scholar Cheshire, Stockport
Eliza Walsh Dau 6 Scholar Cheshire, Stockport

By the time the 1861 census return comes around Lydia"™s mother, Sarah Ann Leigh, has died. I have not established if the family had moved to Chorley prior to her death, but I doubt it.

At 61 New Bridge Lane, Stockport in 1851;

James Walsh Head 28 Power Loom Weaver Lancs. Darwen
Sarah Ann Walsh Wife 28 Cheshire Stockport
Emma Walsh Dau 4 Cheshire, Stockport
Lydia Walsh Dau - Cheshire, Stockport
Mary Leigh M in L 70 Yorkshire
Colin Sykes Uncle 35 Cheshire, Stockport
Robert Sykes Cousin 9 Cheshire, Stockport

I"™m guessing here but I think that the Sykes listed will be Sara Ann"™s relatives and not those of James Walsh. I find it interesting to see Mary Leigh appearing here. I wonder if she was a permanent feature or just visiting, new baby etc. Mary Leigh must have lived in Stockport as Sarah Ann was born in Stockport.

James was born in Darwen, Lancs. His parents were Anyon Walsh & Margaret (Peggy) Leach. They had a least ten children per LDS. Anyon seems to have been born in Darwen whereas Peggy is born in Manchester.

I have found James brother Anyon in Derbyshire in 1861 which suggests that people were far mobile in those days than perhaps we would think.

So my brick walls are how to get further back on:

1) Anyon & Peggy
2) Mary Leigh

All suggestions welcome

[BC Wench]

1841: Waterside, Padfield, Glossop, Derbys
Annion Walch 50 Bk Keeper
Peggy Walch 43
Dorothy Walch 20
Annion Walch 20
Grace Walch 16
Benj Walch 13
Mary Walch 11
Alice Walch 6
Mary Walch 1
(All not born in County)

1851: Water Side, Padfield, Derbys
Anyon Walsh Head.M 60 Warehouseman Darwen
Margaret Walsh Wife 53 Manchester
Grace Walsh Dau.UM 26 Weaver, Darwen
Mary Ann Walsh Dau.UM 21 Weaver Darwen
Alice Walsh Dau.UM 15 Weaver Darwen
Jonathan Jepson Lodger.UM 34 Weaver Darwen
James Fernley Lodger.Mar 29 Weaver Hyde Cheshire

1861: Station Road Back of Waldi? Buildings, Hadfield, Derbys
Anyon Walch Head.Wid 70 Cotton Warehouseman Over Darwen
Alice Walch "“ Dau.UM 25 Cotton Weaver Over Darwen

DEATH
Name: Anyon Walsh
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Hayfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 350

Have you tried the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk found these:-

Marriage: 2 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walch - Weaver Bachelor of Blackburn
Peggy Leach - (X), Spinster of Blackburn
Witness: Samuel Eccles; Wm. Maudsley
Married by Banns by: R.Dobson
Register: Marriages 1815 - 1817, Page 213, Entry 637
Source: LDS Film 1278807


Marriage of Lydia's sister Emma Jane
Marriage: 2 Sep 1865 St Peter, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Richard Ollerton - Full Weaver Bachelor of Chorley
Emma Jane Walsh - Full Spinster of Chorley
Groom's Father: Joseph Ollerton, Weaver
Bride's Father: James Walsh, Weaver
Witness: Thomas Kerfoot; Caroline Riverson
Married by Banns by: G. S. Jellicoe
Register: Marriages 1852 - 1893, Page 81, Entry 162
Source: LDS Film 1517687

[mactavish]

Thank you for the information supplied.

Sorry for the delay at getting back to you but this thing called work got in the way.

I had not heard of the website on the link provided but it seems extremely useful and will have an extended look shortly.

If I ordered the death certificate of Anyon Walsh would his fathers name be recorded?

I also want to try and get further back for Mary Leigh. Has anyone any thoughts?

Cheers

[peterd]

Poss a relatives ? is it a name that could run in the family ? you might able to link these together ?


baps

Baptisms: 28 Sep 1720 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Anion Walsh - Son of Thomas Walsh
Abode: Upper Darwen
Register: Baptisms 1680 - 1722, Page 131, Entry 30
Source: LDS Film 1278778

Baptisms: 6 Jan 1755 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anion Walch - Child of Will.m Walch & Dor.y
Abode: Blacksnape
Baptised by: Rev. Robert Smalley
Register: Baptisms 1751 - 1791, Page 9, Entry 193
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 7 Aug 1774 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walch - Child of Will.m Walch & Mary
Abode: Trees
Baptised by: Rev. Robert Smalley
Register: Baptisms 1751 - 1791, Page 62, Entry 1815
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 8 Aug 1776 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walch - Child of Jno. Walch & Betty
Abode: Bitchel
Baptised by: Rev. Robert Smalley
Register: Baptisms 1751 - 1791, Page 71, Entry 2064
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 28 Feb 1813 Lower Chapel Independent, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anion Walsh - Child of William Walsh & Betty
Born: 31 Dec
Abode: Mt. pleasant
Baptised by: H.W.T.
Register: Baptisms 1796 - 1815, Page 41, Entry 1411
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 13 Jan 1819 Lower Chapel Independent, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anion Walsh - Son of Thomas Walsh & Sally (formerly Walsh)
Born: 18 Oct 1818
Abode: Tithe Barn Over Darwen Blackburn
Baptised by: R. Blake
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1838, Page 40
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 1 Aug 1821 Lower Chapel Independent, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walsh - Son of Anyon Walsh & Peggy (formerly Leach)
Born: 11 Jun 1821
Abode: Darwen Over Darwen Blackburn
Register: Baptisms 1815 - 1838, Page 45
Source: LDS Film 0560876

Baptisms: 18 May 1862 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walsh - son of Thos Walsh & Margaret (formerly Chambers)
Born: 14 Feb 1862
Abode: Eccles Hill
Source: Original Register

Baptisms: 27 Oct 1878 Lower Chapel, Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walsh - son of Anyon Walsh & Elizabeth Ann (formerly Chambers)
Born: 15 Jun 1878
Abode: Anyon St
Source: Original Register


marriage

Marriage: 13 Apr 1803 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walch - (X), weaver of the parish of Blackburn
Rachael Booth - (X), spinster of the same parish
Register: Marriages 1801 - 1809, Page 165, Entry 654
Source: LDS Film 1278807

Marriage: 2 Jan 1817 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walch - Weaver Bachelor of Blackburn
Peggy Leach - (X), Spinster of Blackburn
Witness: Samuel Eccles; Wm. Maudsley
Married by Banns by: R.Dobson
Register: Marriages 1815 - 1817, Page 213, Entry 637
Source: LDS Film 1278807

Marriage: 6 Nov 1837 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walsh - (X), Minor Mason Bachelor of Over Darwen
Jane Lightbound - (X), Minor Spinster of Eccleshill
Groom's Father: Thomas Walsh, Mason
Bride's Father: Thomas Lightbound, Bookkeeper
Witness: Joseph Fairbrother; James Neville
Married by Banns by: R Burnet
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1838, Page 75, Entry 149
Source: LDS Film 1278817

Marriage: 21 Aug 1843 St Michael and All Angels, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walsh - (X), Full Weaver bachelor of Ashton
Hannah Harrop - (X), Full spinster of Ashton
Groom's Father: Anyon Walsh, Warehouse Man
Bride's Father: James Harrop, Farmer
Witness: Thomas Grimshaw; William Armitage
Married by Banns by: C T Quirk
Register: Marriages 1842 - 1844, Page 121, Entry 242
Source: LDS Film 1550973


burials

Burial: 13 Jun 1788 Lower Chapel, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anyon Walch - Son of Wm. Walch & Dorothy, Widow
Age: 35th
Abode: Darwen Darwen Blackburn
Buried by: Robt. Smalley
Register: Burials 1785 - 1819, Page 92, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 560876

Burial: 5 Feb 1817 Lower Chapel, Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Anion Walsh -
Age: 2nd
Abode: Sunny Bank
Buried by: R. Blake
Register: Burials 1785 - 1819, Page 102
Source: LDS Film 560876

[mactavish]

Oh yes, the old scattergun approach to family history. Thanks peterd I'm sure all the Anyon or Anion Walsh's listed could be cousins/nephews/uncles of my Onion, I mean Anyon.

But both BC Wench and yourself have kindly shown definite events such as Anyon marrying Peggy Leach 1817 and Anyon's death in 1866. Both indicate a birth between 1891 & 1896. There are no births of an Anyon in that time frame listed anywhere in England never mind specifically Darwen, Lancs.

I had hoped for a record collection other than LDS or Ancestry that you guys would know of. I'm a tourist frae Scotland remember.

So nothing on Mary Leigh then?

[BC Wench]

If I ordered the death certificate of Anyon Walsh would his fathers name be recorded?

The only other names on a death certificate besides Anyon's would be the Informant of the death, i.e. a relation and the Registrar's name.

This looks good for the Baptism of Anyon Walsh which I found on the LDS (Familysearch) web site

name: Anyon Welch
parents: William Welch, Grace
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Apr 1791
baptism/christening place: CHAPEL STREET INDEPENDENT,BLACKBURN,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 08 Mar 1791
father's name: William Welch
mother's name: Grace
indexing project (batch) number: J08633-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0560875 (RG4 1018)

Possible marriage of Anyon"™s parents??

Name: William Walsh
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Grace Gibson
Marriage Date: 26 Aug 1779
Marriage Place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Do you have the marriage certificate of James Walsh & Sarah Ann Leigh or Lee?

Found on FreeBMD
Marriages Sep 1845
LEE Sarah Ann Stockport 19 239
Walsh James Stockport 19 239

Found on UKBMD
LEE Sarah Ann WALSH James 1845 Heaton Norris, St Thomas Cheshire Stockport ST7/1/99

The marriage certificate will have the groom"™s father"™s names on it, if Sarah Ann"™s father hasn"™t died before her marriage in 1845 it will have her father"™s name on as well. If he has died it will more than likely say "Deceased"

There are a number of Mary Leigh/Lee born about 1781 on Ancestry, so you really need the marriage certificate of Sarah Ann to find her father"™s name, then try to find them on the censuses.

On the main Board Index of this forum is a "Links" section which I"™m sure will prove very useful.

Hope this helps

[mactavish]

Thank you for the info & guidance.

This is what I wanted, thank you. It confirms what I thought and gives me a route forward (in fact backwards) for the surname Leigh.

The William & Grace Walsh event is isolated in that I cannot think of a way to double check it. Any thoughts?

A merry Christmas to you and yours.

Cheers

[BC Wench]

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