Cutler to Guest connection...

[MarkCDodd]

This William Guest married Martha Mason

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/225878/108347/William-Guest-Family

groom's name: William Guest
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Martha Mason
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 04 Mar 1838
marriage place: St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
groom's father's name: Joseph Guest
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: John Mason
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M01874-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 350620
reference number: Page 137 No 273

Her father is not on BCC and I believe he comes from Herefordshire but have not chased him up...

[MarkCDodd]

Name: William Guest
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Hales Owen
Hundred: Brimstree (Hales Owen Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Halesowen
Piece: 908
Book: 5
Folio: 50
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
William Guest 25
Martha Guest 25

[MarkCDodd]

A nailor who can afford a servant!!!

1851 census transcription details for: Manor Lane

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2034
Folio: 322
Page: 3
Reg. District: Stourbridge Union
Sub District: Hales Owen
Parish:
Enum. District: 9 & 10
Ecclesiastical District: Hales Owen
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Manor Lane
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, William Head Married M 37 1814 Nailor Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Wife Married F 38 1813 Nailor Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, Tabias Son M 9 1842 Scholar Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, Leah Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, William Son M 2 1849 At Home Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Ann Daughter F 0 (5 MOS) 1851 Halesowen, Worcestershire
JACKSON, Harriet Ann Servant Unmarried F 15 1836 Domestic Serv Leominster, Warwickshire

[MarkCDodd]

The son called Eli is actually William Eli and he is the one who marries into the Oldbury Cutlers.

1861 census transcription details for: Manor Lane, Lapal

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2063
Folio: 13
Page: 2
Reg. District: Stourbridge
Sub District: 1 Halesowen
Parish: Lapal
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Halesowen
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Manor Lane, Lapal
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, William Head Married M 47 1814 Mailer Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Wife Married F 48 1813 Mailer Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Tobias Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Mailer Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Leah Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Mailer Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Eli Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Mailer Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Ann Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar Lapal, Worcestershire

[MarkCDodd]

A family that stays in one place! Amazing....

1871 census transcription details for: Cottage Manor Lane, Lapal

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 3018
Folio: 21
Page: 2
Reg. District: Stourbridge
Sub District: Halesowen
Parish: Lapal
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cottage Manor Lane, Lapal
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GUEST, William Head M 57 1814 Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Wife F 58 1813 Worcestershire
GUEST, Willam Eli Son M 22 1849 Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Ann Daughter F 20 1851 Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Ann Granddaughter F 5 1866 Warwickshire

[MarkCDodd]

They must really like the place....

1881 census transcription details for: ?, Lapal

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2883
Folio: 26
Page: 2
Reg. District: Stourbridge
Sub District: Halesowen
Parish: Lapal
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: ?, Lapal
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, William Head Married M 67 1814 Farm Labourer Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Wife Married F 68 1813 Nail Maker Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Martha Ann Grand Daughter Single F 15 1866 Housework Birmingham, Warwickshire

[MarkCDodd]

Looks like they are leaving the place feet first....

1891 census transcription details for: Manor Lane, Lapal

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2299
Folio: 26
Page: 2
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: Dudley
Parish: Lapal
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Halesowen
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Manor Lane, Lapal
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, William Head Widower M 77 1814 Agricultural Labourer Lapal, Worcestershire
GUEST, Harry Grandson Single M 22 1869 General Labourer Lapal, Worcestershire

[MarkCDodd]

William's death card reads, "In Affectionate Remembrance of WILLIAM GUEST of Manor Lane Who departed this life December 3rd, 1892, AGED 79 YEARS. "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of Man cometh at an hour when ye think not." - St. Luke 12c., 40v "

Martha died at home in 1889.

I will send a photo of his death card and a page from the family bible.

[MarkCDodd]

William Eli Guest died a horrible death. Here is a transcription of the best newspaper account I found.

Coroners inquest on the accident that killed William Eli Guest at the Albright & Wilson Phosphorous Works in Langlely on the 13th February 1899.

SCALDED TO DEATH IN A BOILER.
On Thursday morning Mr A H Hebbert (Deputy Coroner), held an inquest at the Institute Hall, Langley, concerning the death of Eli Guest (50) of Arden Grove, Langley, who met his death under shocking circumstances at Messrs. Albright & Wilson"™s Phosphorus Works, Lower Trinity Street, Langley, on Monday afternoon. Mr G Gatheral (manager of the works) and Mr G E Lloyd (secretary of the company) represented Messrs. Albright and Wilson, and Mr J Jackson (H.M.Inspector of Factories) also watched the enquiry. Sarah Guest, widow of deceased, identified the body and said deceased was a labourer at Messrs. Albright & Wilson"™s works, where he had been employed for 12 years. He went to work after dinner on Monday, as usual, and as she had been out she did not hear of his death until seven o"™clock at night, when he had been brought home dead. James Taylor, labourer, of Tat Bank, stated that he had been employed at the Phosphorus Works for over 12 months, and on Monday he was employed with deceased in boiler cleaning, which they had done on previous occasions. There were three of them inside the boiler, where it was necessary that they should get to do the work, but neither of them examined the valve of the boiler during the morning, as it took a week to clean it out, and that was their first day"™s work at it. About 2.30 the valve gave way, and as soon as he saw the steam coming in he went to get out, as he was the nearest to the manhole. He did not hear any sound when the valve cracked. Witness pointed out the positions of himself, deceased and the other man on a plan of the boilers handed in by Mr. Gatheral, Guest being at the end of the boiler farthest away from the manhole. Witness did not see the other men at all. In answer to the jury, witness said they were hammering the scale off the boiler, and Dearn was at work near the valve. George Gatheral, manager of the works of Messrs. Albright & Wilson, chemical manufacturers, stated that there were six boilers in the set, in one of which deceased was at work, but there were only three of them in use. They were Lancashire boilers, 30 feet by 8 feet 6 inches, and warranted to stand a pressure of 160 lbs. They were all connected by a steam pipe, and by means of the valves the steam could be shut off in any one of them. The boiler in question had been in use since July 1896, and was then new in all its parts. It had been stopped for cleaning since the Thursday previous, and the valve had to be absolutely tight before the men could or would enter the boiler. Guest was the leading man in charge of the work, which consisted of removing the loose scale and chipping off with hammers that which was hard. He did not consider that the jar of the chipping would have the slightest effect on the valve, as it was what all boilers were subjected to. The valve cracked near the top end, and as the steam escaped it eased the bottom part of the valve, which allowed the steam to escape into the boiler. The body of the valve was 1 ft. 10 ins. in height, and 17 ins. across, the valve being an 8 in. one. The valve had been tested with 340 lbs. of pressure. The boilers were working at full pressure, 160 lbs. each, that being the amount of pressure on the valve. The deceased had been employed in stoking and boiler cleaning for six or eight years. Witness was fetched to the occurrence, and then found that the two men, Taylor and Dearn, had gone to have their scalds dressed, while Guest was still in the boiler. The valves on the boilers that were working were shut down, and deceased"™s body was then got out. The boilers and valves were not tested, as it was not usual to do so except for some special reason, but were simply cleaned whenever necessary. They could only do this when all the steam was down, and the last time was at Christmas. The valves were only examined if they showed a leak. In answer to Mr. Jackson, witness said a boiler needed cleaning every month or six weeks, and the one in question had therefore frequently been cleaned under similar conditions to those on Monday. A Juror said he was convinced that the chipping had no effect on the valve. In answer to Mr. Round, foreman of the jury, witness said that Guest had nothing to do with shutting off the steam. He had had thirty years experience of boilers, and had never known a similar occurrence. He had often been in the boiler in question himself with a perfect feeling of security. They had the very best valves and boilers, but something would be done to try and render such an occurrence impossible, though it was possible now. Joseph Dearn, of Hill Top Road, Warley, a labourer, employed at Albright & Wilson"™s works, and who was at work with Guest and Taylor in the boiler, gave evidence corroborative of that given by Taylor. He said he escaped through the manhole himself and then went to have his scalds dressed. Enoch Fanthom, of Langley Road, Langley, a stoker, employed at Albright Wilson"™s works, stated that he had been a stoker there for two years. He was employed at the set of boilers in one of which the accident happened on Monday, and the first he knew of the occurrence was hearing the valve burst, he being then about six yards away. He ran to it, and got on the top of the boiler, and the escaping steam knocked him down. He then shut the other valve, but he could not see when the men escaped owing to the denseness of the steam. Witness then went to have his scalds dressed, as he was scalded about the chest. By Mr Jackson: He did not touch the valve in question on Monday, nor did he shut it down on the previous Thursday. George Merryfield, fitter, of George Street, West Smethwick, stated that he had been employed at Albright & Wilson"™s works for five years. It was his duty to attend to the fittings of the set of boilers in question, and on hearing the steam escaping he went to the spot. When he arrived steam was shut off from the other boilers, and he assisted to put in the dampers. As soon as the steam would allow him he shouted into the boiler, but he heard no response, and on going in he found Mr. Guest. He was lying on one of the tubes, with his head hanging between the tubes, and witness, with assistance, got him out. He then had every appearance of being dead and he was taken on a stretcher to the waiting room. "“ By Mr Jackson: Deceased was at the back end of the boiler, three feet from the manhole, and he must have passed the valve once, but the steam had overpowered him. He would then probably try to get to a manhole in the bottom of the boiler at the other end, but he had not done so. Witness said he ground the valve up in August last, and all the stop valves, such as the one in question, were examined at Christmas. He could not say whether it was possible for the valve to crack from over-pressure, through the valve being screwed too tight, as he had never seen a valve crack before. James Pennington, clerk at Messrs. Danks Works at Oldbury, said the valve came from Chas. Wynn & Co., Birmingham, and was tested to 340 lbs. to the square inch. The valve was made to stand 14¾ times the pressure it would be subjected to, that being the margin of safety allowed. They had had valves on boilers which had lasted 15 years. The valves were tested by water pressure. "“ Mr Jackson said he thought the actual bursting pressure would be only a third of that stated by the witness. "“ Fanthom was recalled, and he now stated that he recollected shutting the valve off on Thursday. He only screwed it as tight as he generally did. Dr. C H Sharpe stated that he was called to see deceased at three o"™clock, when the body was in the waiting room at the works. He appeared to have been dead about 45 minutes. Witness examined the body, and found that the worst scalds were from the top of the head to the ribs. He was practically scalded from head to foot. The immediate cause of death was shock, due to scalds, and death would be almost instantaneous. "“ In answer to the Coroner, Mr Gatheral said that neither the screw or valve were bent, and he had no theory as to what had caused the valve to crack. In reply to a juror, Mr. Jackson said he had never known a similar accident to that. Water pressure was the most approved way of testing, and if the valve had been tested to 340 lbs. he should have expected it to stand any pressure required. The Coroner summed up at some length, and after deliberating in private, the jury returned a verdict of "Accidental death", the foreman (Mr Round) adding that in their opinion there was not the slightest blame attaching to either the firm or to any individual whatever. The jury had passed a resolution of sympathy with the widow and family, and also a resolution thanking Mr Gatheral for rendering all the assistance possible, and keeping nothing back that would assist the jury in the enquiry. They also wished to make a suggestion that there might be two valves instead of one, if it was practicable, but they had no doubt that Mr Gatheral, in conjunction with the firm, would do his best to try and prevent any future accident. Mr Gatheral said everyone connected with the works regretted very much that such an accident had occurred. The firm thought they had done everything they could do to make the boilers comparatively safe, but that feeling of safety had been considerably reduced since that accident. He could not bind himself to any course of procedure, but the jury"™s suggestion should be laid before his directors, and they would do something to make the boilers more safe if possible. He had never known an accident occurring which he could not formulate a theory to account for the accident, as was the case in that one, which he thought was quite inexplicable, and if any means could be taken to render the valves safer it should be done.

[MarkCDodd]

William Eli married this Sarah Cutler

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/225878/130258/Sarah-Cutler-Family

Groom's name: William Eli Guest
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Sarah Cutler
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 29 Jun 1873
marriage place: Harborne, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: William Guest
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: John Cutler
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M00827-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1520000
reference number: it 51, p 92, no 184

There is a picture of Sarah in the family albums.

[MarkCDodd]

1881 census transcription details for: California, Northfield

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2952
Folio: 83
Page: 47
Reg. District: Kings Norton
Sub District: Edgbaston
Parish: Northfield
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: California, Northfield
County: Worcestershire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, Eli Head Married M 32 1849 Caster Metal Works Halesowen, Staffordshire
GUEST, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1847 Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, Emma Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, Lucy Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, William Son Single M 2 1879 Northfield, Worcestershire

I will send some photos of the children.

[MarkCDodd]

1891 census transcription details for: 13, Arden Grove, Oldbury

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2266
Folio: 117
Page: 7
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: Oldbury
Parish: Oldbury
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: Langley
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 13, Arden Grove, Oldbury
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, Eli Head Married M 40 1851 Labourer In Chemical Works Halesowen, Worcestershire
GUEST, Sarah Wife Married F 42 1849 Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, Lucy Daughter Single F 16 1875 Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, William Son M 12 1879 Scholar Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, Lizzy Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, Leah Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Northfield, Worcestershire
GUEST, Charlotte Daughter F 3 1888 Oldbury, Worcestershire

A few of my relatives are working in the same chemical works.

[MarkCDodd]

1901 census transcription details for: 21, Arden Grove, Oldbury (Worcs)

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2715
Folio: 151
Page: 23
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: Oldbury
Parish: Oldbury (Worcs)
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St Michaels & All Angels
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Arden Grove, Oldbury (Worcs)
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GUEST, Sarah Head Widow F 54 1847 Oldbury, Worcestershire
GUEST, William Son Single M 22 1879 Blacksmith's Striker Oldbury, Worcestershire
GUEST, Charlotte Daughter F 12 1889 Oldbury, Worcestershire
BAKER, George Boarder Married M 40 1861 Gas Works Erector Oldbury, Worcestershire
CROSSLAND, Thomas Boarder Single M 42 1859 Gas Works Erector Oldbury, Worcestershire

[MarkCDodd]

1911 census transcription details for: 9 Arden Grove Langley Oldbury

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN17261 RG78PN1060 RD371 SD2 ED6 SN264
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: Oldbury
Parish: Oldbury
Enum. District: 6
Address: 9 Arden Grove Langley Oldbury
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GUEST, Sarah Head Widow F 64 1847 Northfield Worcestershire
GUEST, William Son Single M 31 1880 Labourer Phosforus Works Engineers Northfield Worcestershire
HUDSON, Sidney Boarder Married M 51 1860 Engineer Turner Yorks Rotherham

Her son is working at the same factory that killed his father...

[MarkCDodd]

Sarah died on the 1st October 1924 in Langley.

Her daughter Charlotte marries a Harvey who is descended from another Oldbury Cutler line....

Those Harveys and Cutlers are not on BCC.

I will get around to adding them soon.

LOTS of photographs to go with that lot.