ARC TBC................Catherine Johnson & father John

[expat66]

Marriage looked up by Rf Thankyou

18 May 1891 St Peter Cradley
Albert BYNG 21 B Nail Maker Cradley Thomas Byng Nail Maker
Catharine JOHNSON 25 S Cradley Father John Johnson Black Smith
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; John Jeffs X / Elizabeth Jeffs X

Added to BCC here ...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=21831063

Is this Catherine and family in 1871?

1871. Lumbans ? Bank, Cradley
John Johnson,34,head,married, anchor smith, born Liverpool
Ellen,31,wife, anchor smith's wife
Emily Burgess,14,sister in law
Catherine,6,daughter
William,5,son
Eliza,4,daughter
Mamitton,2,daughter
Others born Cradley

Expat

[FarSide]

1881
10 Bridge Street, Cradley
John Johnson 42 - Anchor smith - b Liverpool
Kate Johnson 17 - Work in brick yard
William Johnson 15 - Work in forge
Eliza Johnson 13 - Work in chain shop
Hamilton Johnson 11 - male
Mary Ann Johnson 9
John Johnson 7
Ellen Johnson 5
others b Cradley


1891
Lumdans Bank, Cradley
Hamilton Johnson 21 - Head - single - male - Striker on Anchors
Kate Johnson 25 - sis - Chainmaker
Eliza Johnson 22 - sis - Chainmaker
Mary A Johnson 18 - sis - Chainmaker
John Johnson 64 - bro - Striker on Anchor (17 on image)
Ellen Johnson 15 - sis - Nurse dom
John W Johnson 3/12 mths - nephew
all b Cradley

Witness's John & Elizabeth Jeffs 1 door away

[FarSide]

Poss
1863
JOHNSON John DREW Ellen Cradley, St Peter Dudley Register Office 013/001/176

Deaths Dec 1877
JOHNSON Ellen 38 Stourbridge 6c 85

Deaths Jun 1889
Johnson John 48 Stourbridge 6c 76

[FarSide]

1871. Lumbans ? Bank, Cradley
John Johnson,34,head,married, anchor smith, born Liverpool
Ellen,31,wife, anchor smith's wife
Emily Burgess,14,sister in law
Catherine,6,daughter
William,5,son
Eliza,4,daughter
Mamitton,2,daughter
Others born Cradley
Expat

1861
Under bark?, Cradley
George Burgess 42 - Shoemaker - b Dudley
Mary Ann Burgess 40 - Nailer - b Ireland
William Drew 18 - step son - Blacksmith
George Burgess 12
Ellen Drew 20 - step daug - Nailer
Eliza Burgess 8
Mary Burgess 6
Emily Burgess 5
Charlotte Burgess 1
others b Cradley

Poss late marriage..
1858
BURGESS George DREW Mary A Cradley, St Peter Dudley Register Office 013/001/100

1851
East side of Village, Cradley
George Burgess 30 - Master boot & shoe maker - b Halesowen
Mary Ann Burgess 30 - Nailer - b Ireland, British subject
Ellen Burgess 12 - Nailer
William Burgess 9 - Dollying for chainmaker - b Oldswinford
George Burgess 3
Eliza Burgess 3 Mo
others b Cradley

[Jimmy]

1901. High St, Cradley.
Kate Byng 36. Head. M. Chain maker.
John Wm Byng 10. Son.
Gladys Byng 7. Dau.
Gertrude Byng 3. Day.

All born Cradley.

[Jimmy]

Thomas Bing.
bride's name: Eliza Bastable.
marriage date: 03 Oct 1847.
marriage place: Saint Martin,Birmingham,Warwick.
indexing project (batch) number: M01072-4.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 0919783-0919785, 0919786-0919788, 0919789-0919791.

[Jimmy]

Brother to Thomas,
Albert Byng.
baptism/christening date: 10 May 1865.
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER.
death date: 02 Mar 1866.
father's name: Francis Byng.
mother's name: Esther.
indexing project (batch) number: C01376-3.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 886635, 886636, 886638.


Marriages Dec 1860.
Bint George. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Byng Francis. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Norbury Esther. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Roberts Margaret. Kings N. 6c. 754.

[Northern Lass]

What do you want to do with this one expat looks good the info
are you able to add it?

if not we can sticky it and try to add when we have a min

[Northern Lass]

Brother to Thomas,
Albert Byng.
baptism/christening date: 10 May 1865.
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER.
death date: 02 Mar 1866.
father's name: Francis Byng.
mother's name: Esther.
indexing project (batch) number: C01376-3.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 886635, 886636, 886638.


Marriages Dec 1860.
Bint George. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Byng Francis. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Norbury Esther. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Roberts Margaret. Kings N. 6c. 754.

I am a bit confused is this another Albert? with father Francis?

[Northern Lass]

something isnt right as Thomas and Eliza appear to have 2 Thomas Byngs?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =813428291

[Northern Lass]

So although Albert puts father Thomas on marriage is Alberts father really Francis?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =600411430


1871 Halesowen, Short Cross
Thomas Byng 43 pumpmaker, Bromsgrove
Eliza ditto,44, Halesowen (rest too)
Mary A ditto, 22
Thomas ditto,19
Emma ditto,17
William ditto,14
Bertha ditto,4
Albert ditto, grandson,2

1881 Islington Halesowen, Worcester
Richard RUDGE 52 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Forger
Matilda RUDGE 51 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Forger
Albert BUING Grand Son 12 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Matilda RUDGE Grand Daughter 7 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar

[Jimmy]

Brother to Thomas,
Albert Byng.
baptism/christening date: 10 May 1865.
baptism/christening place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER.
death date: 02 Mar 1866.
father's name: Francis Byng.
mother's name: Esther.
indexing project (batch) number: C01376-3.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 886635, 886636, 886638.


Marriages Dec 1860.
Bint George. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Byng Francis. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Norbury Esther. Kings N. 6c. 754.
Roberts Margaret. Kings N. 6c. 754.

I am a bit confused is this another Albert? with father Francis?

Possible cousin.

[Northern Lass]

What about the 2 Thomas Byngs for father Thomas and mother Eliza that cant be right can it?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=58000307

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1866.
BYNG Albert. Halesowen. Dudley Register Office. HAL/013/136.

Deaths Mar 1866.
BYNG Albert. age 0. Stourbridge. 6c. 109.

Burial.
St John's, Halesowen.
2 Mar 1866.
Albert BYNG. 10m. Hasbury.

[Northern Lass]

what about the 2 thomas byngs?
here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =220210288

only one on census and he marries Fanny Britton
1861 Crescent, Hasbury.

Thomas Byng, head, 33, Well Sinker, Bromsgrove.
Eliza, wife, 34, Nailor, Halesowen.
Thomas, son, 9, Hasbury.
Emma, daue, 7, Hasbury.
William, son, 4, Hasbury.
Sarah, daur, 2, Hasbury.


1871 Halesowen, Short Cross

Thomas Byng 43 pumpmaker, Bromsgrove
Eliza ditto,44, Halesowen (rest too)
Mary A ditto, 22
Thomas ditto,19
Emma ditto,17
William ditto,14
Bertha ditto,4
Albert ditto, grandson,2


wonder if Thomas who marries Fanny has Albert prev with an unknown Rudge out of wedlock
think we need to delete one of the Thomas'