ARC TBC..................Brettell Connection

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This Joseph Brettell
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =322360645

Is father of Alice Sebrina Violet Brettell who married Joseph Hackett
see Arthur Hackett born 1916 Thread

I think he is this Joseph Brettell

http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =395950434

son of William Brettell and Phoebe

Reason :- Joseph Brettell and Mary Ann Maria lived at 15 King Street in 1901 and 1911
and William and Phoebe lived at 15 King Street in 1881

Only problem is that in 1881 Census there are two Joseph Brettells of roughly same age living next door at 16 King Street

1881 Census 16, King Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Berttell Head 25 Pudler at Iron Works born Sedgley Worcs.
Sarah Ann Berttell wife 25 born Dudley Worcs.
Thomas Berttell son 2
John Henry Berttell son 0
Joseph Berttell lodger 24 Pudler at Iron Works
Mary Ann Berttell wife 23 born Smallbrook Staffs.
Rest born Rowley Regis

and either Joseph Could be son of William Brettell

[rockyfowler]

2 Dec1880 St Mark Stambermill
Joseph BRETTLE 23 B Puddler Lye Father William Brettle Labourer
Maria Brettle 22 S Lye Father Thomas Brettle Collier
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; John Southwick X / Elizabeth Westwood X

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Brilliant RF as that ties up with Census records I have found and It would appear that the other Joseph Brettell who married Sarah Ann is brother of Mary Ann Maria Brettell who married Joseph Brettell

[rockyfowler]

1861

BRITTLE, Thomas Head Married M 27 1834 Coal Miner
Bilston, Staffordshire
BRITTLE, Eliza Wife Married F 32 1829
Bilston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, Benjamin Stepson M 12 1849 Iron Moulder
Bilston, Staffordshire
BRITTLE, Joseph Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Bilston, Staffordshire
BRITTLE, Mary A Daughter F 2 1859 Scholar
Bilston, Staffordshire
BRITTLE, Selena Daughter F 0 (9M) 1861
Bilston, Staffordshire
BRITTLE, Mary Mother F 50 1811 Laundress
Bilston, Staffordshire
COTTLE, Thomas Grandson M 9 1852 Scholar
Bilston, Staffordshire
COTTLE, William Grandson M 8 1853 Scholar
Bilston, Staffordshire


Crown Inn, Dudley
Staffordshire

[rockyfowler]

25 Dec1878 St Andrew Netherton
Joseph BRETTLE 23 B Puddler New Town Father (Dec) No other information
Sarah Ann BAGGET 23 S New Town Father (Dec) No other information
Wit; Esau Watts / Mary Ann Maria Brettle X

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Thanks again RF
I have added most of marriages and made connections

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This Census confirms relationship between Mary Ann Maria Brettell and her brother Joseph

1871 Census King Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
James Robinson 50 Cordwainer born Cradley Worcs.
Eliza Robinson wife 44 born Brockmoor Staffs.
Sarah Ann Robinson dau 17
Martha J. Robinson dau 14
George Robinson son 12
Benjamin Johnson step.son 22 Puddler born Dudley Worcs.
Joseph Brettle stepson 15 Coal Miner born Sedgley Staffs.
Mary Ann M. Brettle step.dau 12 Servant born Sedgley Staffs.
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

It would appear that Eliza married again ( 3rd marriage ?)

Only possible with help of RF with marriages and other details

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Eliza Unknown married Thomas Brettell and Unknown Unknown and James Robinsonn
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =833599083

Jo has a note noting not found marriage to Thomas Brettell and has not confirmed surname as Johnson

but their is a marriage to James Robinson on Freebmd ( not on WMBMD) of an Eliza Johnson
so it is possible she was unmarried when she had Johnson children
and probably did not marry Thomas Brettell who she had other children by

Might be able to identify father of Johnson children if we can find Benjamin & John Johnsons on later Census records and marriages

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