Samuel & Thomas Smart ARC TBC

[Northern Lass]

hi gasbad64, im originally from warrrington living durham now, welcome to the forum, this is your samuel on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=58612981

So where is this one in 1861
if the other one with Thomas Darby is son of Daniel and Hannah Smart?

[peterd]

here ? he not the son of daniel and hannah he 4 and with them in 1861

might be him

1861 adjoing st johns st, dudley

Thomas A Darby 35
Elizth A Darby 36
William A Dary 14
Samuel Smart 22 lodger, coal miner, dudley
James Price 24
Ellen Price 4

DARBY Thomas H PRICE Elizabeth 1845 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/006/242

1861 St Johns rd, dudley

Daniel Smart 54 common labourer
Hannah Smart 50
Elizabeth Smart 27
William Smart 8
Sarah Ann Smart 6
John Smart 5
Thomas Smart 4 cart make age
Elizabeth Luster (poss siviter)74 lodger ?
all born dudley


note above poss thomas smart close location to daniel ?


Elizabeth Luster 74 lodger poss mother in law as this is in thomas box ?

[Northern Lass]

But that could be the son of Daniel and Hannah

not son of Thomas

[peterd]

But that could be the son of Daniel and Hannah

not son of Thomas

1841 Fountain Street Dudley
Daniel Smart 30 Coal miner
Hannah Smart 30
Samuel Smart 2
James Smart 1 mo
Elizabeth Smart 7
Mary Smart 7
Jane Smart 5
all y b in C

you added the 1841 and no thomas he appears in 1851 at 7 months

1851 St Johns rd, dudley

Daniel Smart 43 labourer
Hannah Smart 41
Elizbth Smart 17 at home
Mary Smart 17 ? maker
Jane Smart 15 screw ?
Saml Smart 12 miner
Willm Smart 7
Thos Smart 7 Mo
all born dudley

if there was one born around 1841 for daniel and hannah where is he aged about 2 ? why name a second one in 1851 unless he dead ?

[peterd]

what i think gasbad is getting at is poss thomas father of samuel and daniel father of thomas are related

[Northern Lass]

what i think gasbad is getting at is poss thomas father of samuel and daniel father of thomas are related

The 2 Thomas and Daniel may be bros

There are 2 Samuels with different fathers
one has a Thomas no more info
one has a Daniel and mother Hannah

both Samuels born around 1840
one 1839 with birth certif
other about 1841

If the one with the Darbys in 1861 is DAniels Samuel where is the one with father Thomas in 1861

Daniel and Hannah are at district 33 image 9 in 1861 St Johns Road
Samuel with darbys is at district 42 image 4 St Johns St

[Northern Lass]

Where is this supposed death in 1877
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =661299099

I cant see it will delete from Bcc unless we can find one

[peterd]

Where is this supposed death in 1877
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =661299099

I cant see it will delete from Bcc unless we can find one

sarah was down as widow on 1881 census

SMART Samuel 1875 - Dudley (DUD) West Midlands Dudley Register Office DUD/079/92
SMART Samuel 1878 - Halesowen West Midlands Dudley Register Office HAL/021/112
SMART Samuel 1879 -Stourbridge (STO) West Midlands Dudley Register Office STO/039/472
SMART Samuel 1881 -Halesowen West Midlands Dudley Register Office HAL/022/465

[peterd]

this poss him according to his marrage age 30 in 1868 so born c 1838

Deaths Dec 1878
SMART Samuel 40 Stourbridge 6c 119

[Northern Lass]

Odd this wonder if we need to look that marriage up again check that father is Thomas and not Daniel.

Will add it for a relook up.

The other Samuels seem to be accounted for

1839 son of DAniel and Hannah
1840 son of Wm and Martha
both on Bcc

[Northern Lass]

moving this to Brickwalls

[Northern Lass]

I have rechecked the marriage and it is deffo Thomas as father for Samuel Smart that married Sarah Ann Foley
NOT Daniel

So we must have 2 Samuels
-Samuel b 1839 with father Daniel
-Samuel b 1841 ish with father Thomas