*Arch * Joseph Tromans and Martha Tromans

[Northern Lass]

Ok got loads of these and they really do need sorting....

Martha unknown who is she??

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =587248557

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage, 1885.
TROMANS Joseph, TROMANS Martha, Halesowen, St John the Baptist. Dudley Register Office. 014/005/290.

West Midlands Marriage, 1904.
TROMANS Joseph H. PRIEST Martha. Cradley Heath, St Luke. Sandwell Register Office. 20/4/101.

[peterd]

here joseph in

1881 43 Lomey Town (Royal Oak Inn) Rowley Regis


John TROMAN 56 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Beerseller
Jane TROMAN 54 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Edwin TROMAN 18 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Bricklayer
Joseph TROMAN 16 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Spade Maker (Ag Meh)
Miriam TROMAN 14 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Ruth TROMAN 12 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar


so if he with the family in 1891 unmarried it will rule out that 1885 marriage jimmy found

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Monies on this marriage

West Midlands Marriage, 1885.
TROMANS Joseph, TROMANS Martha, Halesowen, St John the Baptist. Dudley Register Office. 014/005/290.

1891
23 Heigh Street, Rowley (Hingley)
Joseph Tromans 30 - Fitter in pulley block chain trade
Martha Tromans 25 - Milliner
William Hy Tromans 4
Waller Tromans 2
all b Rowley

1901
131
Hingley Street, Rowley
Joseph Tromans 41 - Pulley block fitter
Martha Tromans 38
William H Tromans 14 - Chainmaker
Walter Tromans 12
Joseph Tromans 9
Fred Tromans 4
Florence Tromans 10 months
all b Rowley

Census data on BCC

couple of doors away
128
Frederick Neale 53 - Chainmaker - Kings norton
Sarah Neale 46
Martha Neale 20 - Dressmaker
Frederick Neale 18 - Chainmaker
Ezra Neale 17 - Chainmaker
Mary Tromans 69 - Aunt - single - Deaf and dumb
others all b Dudley

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Couple of possible Martha's

Extracted
MARTHA TROMANS
Christening: 11 NOV 1868 Halesowen, Worcester
Parents:
Father: REUBEN TROMANS
Mother: SARAH

Submitted
Martha Tromans
Birth: About 1870 Rowley Regis, Stafford
Parents:
Father: William Tromans
Mother: Ann Homer

Batch # C009650
Martha Tromans
Christening: 16 JUL 1865 Rowley Regis, Stafford
Parents:
Father: Daniel Tromans
Mother: Ann Tromans

Extracted
MARTHA TROWMAN
Birth: 23 SEP 1864
Christening: 07 APR 1865 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
Parents:
Father: THOMAS TROWMAN
Mother: HANNAH

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Poss
1861
180
Lawrence lane, Rowley
John Tromans 36 - Gas tube filling maker
Mary J Tromans 34
Ann Tromans 14 - Nailmaker
Hannah Tromans 13 - Nailmaker
Elizabeth Tromans 11
Mary Jane Tromans 7 - b Birmingham
Alfred J Tromans 4 - b Birmingham
Phebe Tromans 2
others b Rowley

next door
179
Simeon Tromans 37
Maria Tromans 38
William Tromans 9
Roland Tromans 7
David Tromans 10 Mo
Chainmakers, all b Rowley


1871
239
Malt Street, Blackheath, Rowley
John Tromans 46 - Gas fillings? maker
Mary J Tromans 44
Mary J Tromans 17 - Nailmaker - b Birmingham
Alfred J Tromans 14 - Stable boy - b Birmingham
Phebe Tromans 12
Edwin Tromans 8
Joseph Tromans 6
Mariah Tromans 4
Ruth Tromans 2
others b Rowley

Census data to BCC

[Northern Lass]

Something is not fitting here....

We have this couple on already I think...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =578645027



His father on marriage is a Paul and hers is a William

Marriage info
13 July 1885 St Johns Halesowen
-Joseph Tromans-24- bach-turner-Queen St- Cradley Heath-Paul Tromans - Labourer
-Martha Tromans- 19? -Spinster-Millener- Park St- Cradley Heath-William Tromans-warehouse man
banns
both signed
Wit- Francis? Henry Botteridge? and Edith Tromans

So wonder if this Joseph in this 1881 census actually even married a Martha?

1881 43 Lomey Town (Royal Oak Inn) Rowley Regis


John TROMAN 56 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Beerseller
Jane TROMAN 54 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Edwin TROMAN 18 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Bricklayer
Joseph TROMAN 16 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Spade Maker (Ag Meh)
Miriam TROMAN 14 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Ruth TROMAN 12 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar


we need to alter that census info on connections from this lot here...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =905956794

I am going to alter the info if that is ok FS

[Northern Lass]

Ok have altered Connections so we still have Joseph Tromans with parents John and Mary Jane with a Martha Unknown.

Can anyone find him on the 1891 census see if he is with his parents?
I wonder then if that 1904 marriage is him?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =334158396

[linell]

Found this family, 1891 Census High Street Cradley Heath:-
Joseph Tromans HD 57 All born Rowley all Chainmakers
Dinah Wife 58
Sarah Ann D 28
Phoebe D 21
Clara D 19
Elizabeth D 16

Next door
John Holloway HD S 46 Chainmaker RR
Joseph Tromans Boarder 27 Chainmaker RR
Julia Tromans 21 (wife crossed out by enumerator, and da written over the top??) Brickmaker RR

[Northern Lass]

It could be him I suppose I had a look couldnt see a spade maker on the 1891
and such a common name Joseph Tromans..so many
maybe he died.
The only way is to look at that marriage to eliminate that one with Julia

So I am not too fussed on this one I dont think he married a Martha I think that was probably the other one that was picked up So I am going to amend that too. But I have flagged with a note.

This is now I think sorted so unless otherwise advised going to archive

thank you everyone for help as always