catherine edwards maiden name ARC TBC?

[suzy1953]

hi im new to all this and im really stuck ,ok this is my problem samuel edwards born 1841 shropshire england he married catherine edwards born 1847 dowlais glamorgan ,iknow they had 2 children robert j edwards and margeret j edwards both born in dowlais ,i cant find a marrige to find catherines maiden name can anyone help please

[Jimmy]

Hi Suzy, welcome to the forum,

there is this one, I don't know the area's in Wales,

Marriages Dec 1866.
DOXSEY Catherine. Bridgend. 11a. 717.
EDWARDS Samuel R. Bridgend. 11a. 717.

Name: Samuel Raymond Edwards.
Event: Marriage.
Event Date: 24 Dec 1866.
Event Place: , Coity, Glamorgan, Wales.
Marital Status: Single.
Father: Richard Edwards.
Spouse: Catherine Dorsey.
Spouse's Marital Status: Single.
Spouse's Father: John Dorsey.
Digital Folder Number: 004173955.
Image Number: 00151.

From,
https://www.familysearch.org/

[MarkCDodd]

That marriage is for a Samuel Raymond Edwards from Gloucestershire.

Catherine Doxsey is also from Gloucestershire.

Easy to confuse them as they are lining in Wales in 1881 whilst the couple we are after are living in Gloucestershire!

1881 census transcription details for: High Street, Ruardean (Gloucs)
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2586 Folio: 70 Page: 24

Reg. District: Ross Sub District: Ross
Parish: Ruardean (Gloucs) Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Ruardean (Gloucs)
County: Herefordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
EDWARDS, Samuel Head Married M 40 1841 Shoe Maker Shropshire
EDWARDS, Catherine Wife Married F 34 1847 Doulas Glamorganshire Wales
EDWARDS, Robert J Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Doulas Glamorganshire Wales
EDWARDS, Margaret J Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Doulas Glamorganshire Wales

[MarkCDodd]

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: EDWARDS, Robert James
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1868
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 371

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: EDWARDS, Margaret Jessie
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1874
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 502

Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: EDWARDS, Margaret Jessy
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1873
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 515

[MarkCDodd]

Robert in 1891

1891 census transcription details for: 20, Worcester Street, Llangattock, Brynmawr
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 4575 Folio: 47 Page: 27

Reg. District: Crickhowell Sub District: Llangattock
Parish: Llangattock Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: Brynmawr City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 20, Worcester Street, Llangattock, Brynmawr
County: Brecknockshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
POWELL, Daniel J Head Married M 31 1860 Clicker In Boot Trade Kendal Westmorland
POWELL, Jane Wife Married F 29 1862 Nantyglo Monmouthshire
POWELL, Edwin W J Son M 7 1884 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL, John J Son M 6 1885 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL, Elizabeth L Daughter F 4 1887 Nantyglo Monmouthshire
POWELL, Louis Son M 3 1888 Brynmawr Brecknockshire
POWELL, Austine J Son M 0 (5M) 1891 Brynmawr Brecknockshire
EDWARDS, Robert J Boarder Single M 22 1869 Coal Miner Dowlais Glamorganshire

[gardener]

I was wondering if Catherine was even the mother of the children? I could fnd a possible Robert aged 2 in 1871 in the Merthyr area with father Samuel and mother Ellen. And a submitted birth for a Margaret June with mother Eleanor (could be a Margaret Jane birth reg at Methyr too) and possible marriage to a Catherine after the death of Eleanor.
But these names are not so uncommon in that area, and Samuel's occupation was different in 1871.


Added

This one
Margaret June Edwards Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
12 SEP 1871 Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Samuel Edwards Family
Mother: Eleanor

[suzy1953]

hi there and thanks so much for your help its confusing isnt it as i said im a beginer im doing well with my tree but im stuck with catherine in your opinion witch way should i go should i go

[gardener]

Hi
Are you descended from one of the children? If so then it would probably be worth getting the birth certificate as that should give you the mother's maiden name.
Apart from the 1881 census, what do you have? 1891? 1901? How did you get to the 1881 entry?

[suzy1953]

samuel and catherine were my G G grandparants ,in the 1881 cencus they were living at 102 high street ruardean gloustershire with robert and margeret thier 2 children i think samuel was a shoe maker

[gardener]

samuel and catherine were my G G grandparants ,in the 1881 cencus they were living at 102 high street ruardean gloustershire with robert and margeret thier 2 children i think samuel was a shoe maker

OK, but how do you know that Catherine was the mother of the two children? Is that from family information or are you just assuming it from the 1881 census?

Do you have the marriage certificate for Margaret? Does it give her middle name by any chance?
From the census it looks as though Robert did not marry but perhaps that is the wrong conclusion?

[suzy1953]

hi robert married sarah jane cave 1896 crickhowell she died just 27.i just assumed catherine was the mother from the 1881 cencus .i dont have a marrage for margeret j ive searched but have come up with nothing

[gardener]

Hi
OK, then I will suggest this as an alternative:

Jun qtr 1868
Edwards Samuel Merthyr T 11a 527
Jones Ellen Merthyr Tydfil 11a 527
Lewis Thomas Merthyr T 11a 527
Richards Sarah Merthyr Tydfil 11a 527

1871 census
Gelligaer
Samuel Edwards head m 31 laborer in a coal mine Shrewsbury
Ellen ditto wife m 30 Llanross
Robert J ditto son 2 Glam Gelligaer
William Jones boarder m 34 coal miner Cardigan Kilcenin
Robert ditto unm 14 ditto ditto
John ditto ditto unm 12 ditto ditto

[If the marriage is correct then these Jones may be related to Ellen]



Then perhaps Ellen/Eleanor died

Death Jun 1874
EDWARDS Eleanor 33 Merthyr T. 11a 358

And Samuel remarried

Marriages Mar 1876
Campbell Ann Maria Merthyr T. 11a 462
Davies Catherine Merthyr T. 11a 462
Edwards Samuel Merthyr T. 11a 462
Matthews John Merthyr T 11a 462




1881 census transcription details for: High Street, Ruardean (Gloucs)
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2586 Folio: 70 Page: 24
Address: High Street, Ruardean (Gloucs)
County: Herefordshire
EDWARDS, Samuel Head Married M 40 1841 Shoe Maker Shropshire
EDWARDS, Catherine Wife Married F 34 1847 Doulas Glamorganshire Wales
EDWARDS, Robert J Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Doulas Glamorganshire Wales
EDWARDS, Margaret J Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Doulas Glamorganshire Wales


Margaret J Edwards was unmarried in 1901

1901 Brynmawr
220 Robert J Edwards Head 29 abt 1872 Male Dowlais Monmouthshire Wales
220 Sarah A Edwards Daughter 4 abt 1897 Female Brynmawr Breconshire Wales
220 Francis M Edwards Daughter 3 abt 1898 Female Brynmawr Breconshire Wales
220 Maggie J Edwards Sister 28 abt 1873 Female Dowlais Monmouthshire Wales

If you can splash out on a birth certificate for Robert then you will know who his mother was. I don't think that there is any other way to do it

[suzy1953]

thank you so much for all your time and effort in helping me ,im going to order a certificate that way i can be sure as im new to this its easy for me to go wrong many thanks again sue