Hi everyone
Can you please help me with these questions I have about parish records.
I have found some results for ancestors on the family search website but it does not always say which church an event took place in. Sometimes it only says the location was Dudley, Halesowen or Rowley Regis. If I want to view the original records do I look under the parish church for each area e.g. if a baptism took place in Rowley Regis does it mean it took place at the parish church of St Giles?
Sometimes I can not find a match for an ancestor on the family search website but I can on FreeBMD. I know that the location where an event was registered may not be where it occurred. Is there any way I can find out which church the event took place in if I know where it was registered? I have events registered in Dudley and Stourbridge.
Sometimes I get more than one match for an ancestor on the family search website. If I am looking for a baptism and I do not know the parents names is there any way of proving which one is the correct record? I am looking for the Baptism of John Parkes born about 1800 in Rowley Regis. He is about 40 in the 1841 census and he never married.
Any help is appreciated
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
HI Dig
Ok the Parish records on IGI if you use the old site
Which I can't open the link for at the moment
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/ ... search.asp
and you find a marriage and it says Extracted
that means taken from the Parish Register.
We use those as being good info.
If it says Dudley and extracted then it is prob St Thomas Dudley
if it says Halesowen then prob St Johns
if it says Rowley Regis then St Giles
if you want to know a Church this site is good
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
Click on marriages and
then search marriage index
Then search by name
then put in your year and name
with or without soundex
it gives you a year church and a ref no the end no is the page in the parish Register so you you look
up that marriage in that particular Church Register and go straight to the actual page
Ok the Parish records on IGI if you use the old site
Which I can't open the link for at the moment
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/ ... search.asp
and you find a marriage and it says Extracted
that means taken from the Parish Register.
We use those as being good info.
If it says Dudley and extracted then it is prob St Thomas Dudley
if it says Halesowen then prob St Johns
if it says Rowley Regis then St Giles
if you want to know a Church this site is good
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
Click on marriages and
then search marriage index
Then search by name
then put in your year and name
with or without soundex
it gives you a year church and a ref no the end no is the page in the parish Register so you you look
up that marriage in that particular Church Register and go straight to the actual page
Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Hi Dig
Can you post the 1841 you have for John Parkes
I am looking for the Baptism of John Parkes born about 1800 in Rowley Regis. He is about 40 in the 1841 census and he never married.
Can you post the 1841 you have for John Parkes
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Hi FarSide
John Parkes born about 1802 in Rowley Regis. Living in Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis with partner Phebe. Children also living with John are Elizabeth, Mariah, Samuel and Eli. This is a strange connection and I am unsure whether John Parkes is the father of all the children because their surname changes to Batey in 1851. I am descended from Eli Batey born about 1828 in Rowley Regis and his daughter Ann Maria Batey. I am trying to find out who Eli's father was so I can find his baptism.
Can you post the 1841 you have for John Parkes
John Parkes born about 1802 in Rowley Regis. Living in Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis with partner Phebe. Children also living with John are Elizabeth, Mariah, Samuel and Eli. This is a strange connection and I am unsure whether John Parkes is the father of all the children because their surname changes to Batey in 1851. I am descended from Eli Batey born about 1828 in Rowley Regis and his daughter Ann Maria Batey. I am trying to find out who Eli's father was so I can find his baptism.
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
So it is this one on Bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =341073736
We dont have a bapt for Eli Batey/Batty
but bro Samuel on marriage has this
Samuel Bayte, 20, Bach, Miner of Waterfall Lane son of John Parkes, a Collier
Elizabeth Williams, 21, Spinster, Nailer, of Waterfall Lane, Daur of Thomas Williams, Nailer
Wit: Thomas Westwood and Maria Bayte
it seems possible that father for Eli is John Parkes
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =341073736
We dont have a bapt for Eli Batey/Batty
but bro Samuel on marriage has this
Samuel Bayte, 20, Bach, Miner of Waterfall Lane son of John Parkes, a Collier
Elizabeth Williams, 21, Spinster, Nailer, of Waterfall Lane, Daur of Thomas Williams, Nailer
Wit: Thomas Westwood and Maria Bayte
it seems possible that father for Eli is John Parkes
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Hi Northern Lass
Thanks for the link. I have looked at the information on bcconnections and I was wondering:
1) How can we proove all of the children on the 1841 census are John and Phebe's because no relaionships are given?
2) Why do most of these childrens christening and marriage records not state John as the father if we believe he was?
3) If Phebe was about 35 when she had Elizabeth couldn't she have been married earlier i.e. is Pheby Batey her married or birth name?
4) In the 1871 census Eli's partner Sarah is a widow. Do you think they could have got married? I found this marriage:
Eli Perks married Sarah Ann Hall 1864 registered in stourbridge
Thanks for your help
Di
it seems possible that father for Eli is John Parkes
Thanks for the link. I have looked at the information on bcconnections and I was wondering:
1) How can we proove all of the children on the 1841 census are John and Phebe's because no relaionships are given?
2) Why do most of these childrens christening and marriage records not state John as the father if we believe he was?
3) If Phebe was about 35 when she had Elizabeth couldn't she have been married earlier i.e. is Pheby Batey her married or birth name?
4) In the 1871 census Eli's partner Sarah is a widow. Do you think they could have got married? I found this marriage:
Eli Perks married Sarah Ann Hall 1864 registered in stourbridge
Thanks for your help
Di
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
I would at least order the birth certificate for Mary Ann:-
March Qtr 1841:- Baitey Mary Ann Dudley 18 296
Phoebe Batty was probably in a previous relationship, as for the parentage, that is something only Phoebe would know, they did put anything down on their Marriage Entries, i.e. made up father's names or put down Step Father's as their Father, even Grandfather's sometimes. Good luck, sounds like you will need it
HTH Linell.
March Qtr 1841:- Baitey Mary Ann Dudley 18 296
Phoebe Batty was probably in a previous relationship, as for the parentage, that is something only Phoebe would know, they did put anything down on their Marriage Entries, i.e. made up father's names or put down Step Father's as their Father, even Grandfather's sometimes. Good luck, sounds like you will need it
HTH Linell.
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Hi Dig
I remember looking at this lot nightmare!
As Linell says suggest you get that birth certif for Mary Ann Battey.
That marriage you flag is not correct if you look on that link I gave you you will see who married whom
ie
1864
HALL Sarah A THEBRIDGE Joseph Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/008/14
and
1864
PERKS Eli HILL Phoebe Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/008/13
We know Sarah is a Hill as she is with her sister on one of the census.
I am moving the kids over to unknown at the moment for Phebe Batty/Batey.
Might have to be that you get a load of certifs
ie poss death for Phebe in 1864 would be useful to see her age at death.
I dont think we found a marriage for Phebe and JOhn Parkes.
Re Eli again couldnt see marriage for him and Sarah Hill
and again you would need some certifs for his kids to check for yourself mothers name.
We have looked up some of the marriages but 2nd marriages are useful as they sometimes have more info.
eg
poss second marriage but needs tbc. 1866 WESTWOOD Elizabeth BAGLEY Joseph Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/002/192
sometimes the fathers name is added in later years.....then again
this could be birth for Mary ann you would need to check with the Sandwell regis office say you only want it if mother is Phebe
She was about 50 then when she had Mary Ann.
poss....1840
BAITEY Mary A Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/3/459
I remember looking at this lot nightmare!
As Linell says suggest you get that birth certif for Mary Ann Battey.
That marriage you flag is not correct if you look on that link I gave you you will see who married whom
ie
1864
HALL Sarah A THEBRIDGE Joseph Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/008/14
and
1864
PERKS Eli HILL Phoebe Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/008/13
We know Sarah is a Hill as she is with her sister on one of the census.
I am moving the kids over to unknown at the moment for Phebe Batty/Batey.
Might have to be that you get a load of certifs
ie poss death for Phebe in 1864 would be useful to see her age at death.
I dont think we found a marriage for Phebe and JOhn Parkes.
Re Eli again couldnt see marriage for him and Sarah Hill
and again you would need some certifs for his kids to check for yourself mothers name.
We have looked up some of the marriages but 2nd marriages are useful as they sometimes have more info.
eg
poss second marriage but needs tbc. 1866 WESTWOOD Elizabeth BAGLEY Joseph Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/002/192
sometimes the fathers name is added in later years.....then again
this could be birth for Mary ann you would need to check with the Sandwell regis office say you only want it if mother is Phebe
She was about 50 then when she had Mary Ann.
poss....1840
BAITEY Mary A Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/3/459
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Dig wrote:Hi FarSideCan you post the 1841 you have for John Parkes
John Parkes born about 1802 in Rowley Regis. Living in Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis with partner Phebe. Children also living with John are Elizabeth, Mariah, Samuel and Eli. This is a strange connection and I am unsure whether John Parkes is the father of all the children because their surname changes to Batey in 1851. I am descended from Eli Batey born about 1828 in Rowley Regis and his daughter Ann Maria Batey. I am trying to find out who Eli's father was so I can find his baptism.
Do you have the info on Ann Maria Hill /Batey
who did she marry?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =593965524
do you have her birth cert or marriage certif
Where is she on 1871
1871 : Wagon Street, Rowley Regis, Staffs
Ann Thompson, Head, 40, Nail Maker
George Thompson, Son, 18, Coal Miner
Mary Ann Thompson, Daur, 15, Nail Maker
Samuel Thompson, Son, 10
Sarah Baty, Sister,widow 42, Nail Maker
Jane Baty, Niece, 15, Nail Maker
Samuel Baty, Nephew, 7
Sarah Whittle, Niece, 18, Nail Maker
All Born in Rowley Regis
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Hi Northern Lass
I do not think Mary Ann Battey is the youngest child of Phebe. She is Phebe's grandaughter by her daughter Elizabeth and Thomas Westwood. Phebe's youngest child was Eli Batey born about 1828 but we cannot find his christening.
I see what you mean. Do you think Sarah said she was a widow in 1871 so she could change all of her childrens names to Batey even though she did not marry Eli?
I do not have the birth certificate of Eli's daughter Ann Maria Batey. Could this be her:
Ann Maria Bailey Hill birth registered March Qtr 1861 Dudley 6c 6 ?
Ann Maria Batey married Noah Roberts at St Johns, Dudley in 1882. On the marriage certificate she is recorded as Maria Batie living in Netherton, father Eli Batie. I can not find Ann Maria after 1861 but she might have been living in Netherton in the 1881 census just before she got married. She might be recorded as Maria Hill as a lodger or servant. I think Ann Maria is already on Black Country Connections as Maria Bate.
Dig
As Linell says suggest you get that birth certif for Mary Ann Battey.
I do not think Mary Ann Battey is the youngest child of Phebe. She is Phebe's grandaughter by her daughter Elizabeth and Thomas Westwood. Phebe's youngest child was Eli Batey born about 1828 but we cannot find his christening.
That marriage you flag is not correct if you look on that link I gave you you will see who married whom
I see what you mean. Do you think Sarah said she was a widow in 1871 so she could change all of her childrens names to Batey even though she did not marry Eli?
Do you have the info on Ann Maria Hill /Batey
who did she marry?
I do not have the birth certificate of Eli's daughter Ann Maria Batey. Could this be her:
Ann Maria Bailey Hill birth registered March Qtr 1861 Dudley 6c 6 ?
Ann Maria Batey married Noah Roberts at St Johns, Dudley in 1882. On the marriage certificate she is recorded as Maria Batie living in Netherton, father Eli Batie. I can not find Ann Maria after 1861 but she might have been living in Netherton in the 1881 census just before she got married. She might be recorded as Maria Hill as a lodger or servant. I think Ann Maria is already on Black Country Connections as Maria Bate.
Dig
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Dig wrote:Hi Northern LassAs Linell says suggest you get that birth certif for Mary Ann Battey.
I do not think Mary Ann Battey is the youngest child of Phebe. She is Phebe's grandaughter by her daughter Elizabeth and Thomas Westwood. Phebe's youngest child was Eli Batey born about 1828 but we cannot find his christening.
How do you Know that Mary Ann is not dau of Phebe if you havent got the certif?
However I have some info on the marriage for a Mary Ann Batty to Wm Belcher ...mother is Elizabeth Westwood.
Will fill in laterThat marriage you flag is not correct if you look on that link I gave you you will see who married whom
I see what you mean. Do you think Sarah said she was a widow in 1871 so she could change all of her childrens names to Batey even though she did not marry Eli?
They would put what ever they wanted to be known as on Census.
Her children could be regis as both a Hill or a Batty ...without getting certifs impossible to know.Do you have the info on Ann Maria Hill /Batey
who did she marry?
I do not have the birth certificate of Eli's daughter Ann Maria Batey. Could this be her:
Ann Maria Bailey Hill birth registered March Qtr 1861 Dudley 6c 6 ?
Ann Maria Batey married Noah Roberts at St Johns, Dudley in 1882. On the marriage certificate she is recorded as Maria Batie living in Netherton, father Eli Batie. I can not find Ann Maria after 1861 but she might have been living in Netherton in the 1881 census just before she got married. She might be recorded as Maria Hill as a lodger or servant. I think Ann Maria is already on Black Country Connections as Maria Bate.
Dig
Do you have this certif?
The marriage for her....does it actually say on certif Maria Batie? or Maria Bates?
I think we can connect that one up
note on wmbsgh it is 1860 so poss a Dec birth
1860
HILL Ann M B Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/31/237
then regis in 1861 Jan hence on free bmd
Births Mar 1861
Hill Ann Maria Bailey Dudley 6c 6
Hill Ann Maria Bailry Dudley 6c 6
the only way you would know is to order the certif
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
I connect to Mary Ann Batty who marries William Belcher (my line of research). This is what I have on Mary Ann Batty, but I don't have her Birth Certificate.
1. UNKNOWN1 BATTY He married PHOEBE UNKNOWN. She was born Abt. 1786 in Rowley Regis.
Marriage Notes for UNKNOWN BATTY and PHOEBE UNKNOWN:
1841 Census "“ Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
John Parkes "“ 40 "“ Nailer
Phebe Parkes "“ 50
Elizabeth Parkes (Batty?) "“ 19
Mariah Parkes "“ 15
Saml. Parkes "“ 15
Eli Parkes "“ 14
James Bialy (Batty?) "“ 7
[son of Hannah Batty & John Westwood]
Phebe Bialy (Batty?) "“ 5
Mary Bialy (Batty?) "“ 3mths
[dau of Elizabeth Batty (Parkes above) ]
All born in County
1851 Census "“ Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
John Parks "“ Head.UM "“ 49 "“ Nailer "“ Rowley Regis
Phebe Battey "“ Lodger.UM "“ 65 "“ Nailer "“ Rowley Regis
Eli Battey "“ Son.Lodger.UM "“ 20 "“ Labourer "“ Rowley Regis (edited age)
Phebe Battey - Lodger.UM - 17 - ditto (Labourer?) - Rowley Regis (edited - missed her off)
Mary Ann Battey "“ Lodger "“ 10 "“ Rowley Regis
[dau of Elizabeth Batty (Parkes in 1841 census) ]
Next door
Samuel Battey "“ Head.M "“ 27 "“ Miner "“ Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Battey "“ Wife "“ 25 "“ Nailer "“ Halesowen
1861 Census - Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
John Parkes "“ Head.UM "“ 69 "“ Labourer "“ Rowley Regis
Phoebe Batey "“ Boarder.UM "“ 83 "“ Nail Maker "“ Rowley Regis
Eli Batey "“ Head.Widower "“ 33 "“ Miner Coal "“ Rowley Regis
Sarah Hill "“ Boarder.UM "“ 33 "“ Nail Maker "“ Rowley Regis
Thos Batey "“ Son "“ 9 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
Eli Batey "“ Son "“ 7 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
Phoebe Batey "“ Dau "“ 5 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
Ann Maria Batey "“ Dau "“ 4mths "“ Rowley Regis
Jane Hill "“ Dau [?Step Dau] "“ 5 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
All Born in Rowley Regis
Children of UNKNOWN BATTY and PHOEBE UNKNOWN are:
2. i. ELIZABETH2 BATTY, b. Abt. 1822, Rowley Regis.
ii. MARIAH BATTY, b. Abt. 1824, Rowley Regis.
iii. SAMUEL BATTY, b. Abt. 1826, Rowley Regis.
iv. ELI BATTY, b. Abt. 1827, Rowley Regis.
Generation No. 2
2. ELIZABETH2 BATTY (UNKNOWN1 BATTY) was born Abt. 1822 in Rowley Regis. She married (1) UNKNOWN UNKNOWN. She married (2) THOMAS WESTWOOD 27 May 1844 in St Thomas' Dudley.
Marriage Notes for ELIZABETH BATTY and THOMAS WESTWOOD:
Marriage Details: 27 May 1844 at St Thomas, Dudley
Thomas Westwood "“ OFA "“ Bachelor "“ Miner "“ Netherton - Joseph Westwood (Dec) - Nailer
Elizabeth Bateley "“ OFA "“ Spinster "“ Derby Hand - No Father"™s name
Wit : John Westwood, Hannah Westwood
Child of ELIZABETH BATTY and UNKNOWN UNKNOWN is:
i. MARY ANN3 BATTY, b. 30 Dec 1840, Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis (Source: Ancestry Tree.); d. Bef. 31 Mar 1890, Dudley District 6 Age: 49; m. WILLIAM BELCHER, 14 Apr 1859, St Luke's, Reddal Hill (Source: Parish Register.); b. Abt. 1838, Rowley Regis; d. 1900, Sep Qtr Dudley 6c 6 Age: 63 possible.
More About WILLIAM BELCHER:
Burial: 1900, Sep Qtr Dudley 6c 6 Age: 63 possible
Marriage Notes for MARY BATTY and WILLIAM BELCHER:
Marriage Details: 4 April 1859 - St Luke's, Reddall Hill, Cradley
William Bellcher- 21yrs - Bachelor - Collier - Gosty Hill - William Bellcher - Boatman
Mary Ann Batty - 20yrs - Spinster - Gosty Hill - Elizabeth Westwood (Mother's Name)
Witnesses: John Bellcher, Ann Rose
1861 Census - Spinners End, Reddal Hill, Rowley Regis
William Belcher - H.M - 22 - Miner coal - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Maryann Belcher - Wife - 20 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Thomas Belcher - Son - 2 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Sarah Ann Belcher - Dau - 3 mths - Rowley Regis, Staffs
1871 Census - 27 Double Row, Netherton
William Belcher - H.M. - 33 - Labourer - Darby End, Netherton
Mary Ann Belcher - Wife - 30 - Old Hill
Sarah Ann Belcher - Dau - 10 - Old Hill
Mary Ann Belcher - Dau - 10w/mths - Darby End, Netherton
Mary Ann Barnsley - Boarder/UM - 26 - Nailmaker - Darby End, Netherton
Martha Barnsley - Dau - 4 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
1881 Census - 7 Windmill End, Netherton, Worcs
William Belcher - H.M. - 44 - General Labourer - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Mary A Belcher - Wife - 40 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Mary A Belcher - Dau - 10 - Dudley, Worcs
Phoebe Belcher - Dau - 7 - Dudley, Worcs
No Name Belcher - Son - 3wks - Dudley, Worcs
John Spencer - Boarder.M (n.b. Son in Law) - 19 - Horse Nail Forger - Dudley, Worcs
Sarah A Spencer - Boarder - Wife (n.b. Daughter) - 19 - Dudley, Worcs
1891 Census - 43 Windmill End, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs
John Spencer - H.M - 29 - Nailer - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Sarah Spencer (nee Belcher) - Wife - 30 - Waterfall Lane, Old Hill, Staffs
George Spencer - Son - 10 - Scholar - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
William Spencer - Son - 8 - Scholar - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Nellie Spencer - Dau - 8 - Scholar - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Elizabeth Spencer - Dau - 4 - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Mary Spencer - Dau - 5?mths - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
**William Belcher - Father in Law.Widow - 58 - Labourer Furnace - Dog Lane, Staffs
1. UNKNOWN1 BATTY He married PHOEBE UNKNOWN. She was born Abt. 1786 in Rowley Regis.
Marriage Notes for UNKNOWN BATTY and PHOEBE UNKNOWN:
1841 Census "“ Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
John Parkes "“ 40 "“ Nailer
Phebe Parkes "“ 50
Elizabeth Parkes (Batty?) "“ 19
Mariah Parkes "“ 15
Saml. Parkes "“ 15
Eli Parkes "“ 14
James Bialy (Batty?) "“ 7
[son of Hannah Batty & John Westwood]
Phebe Bialy (Batty?) "“ 5
Mary Bialy (Batty?) "“ 3mths
[dau of Elizabeth Batty (Parkes above) ]
All born in County
1851 Census "“ Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
John Parks "“ Head.UM "“ 49 "“ Nailer "“ Rowley Regis
Phebe Battey "“ Lodger.UM "“ 65 "“ Nailer "“ Rowley Regis
Eli Battey "“ Son.Lodger.UM "“ 20 "“ Labourer "“ Rowley Regis (edited age)
Phebe Battey - Lodger.UM - 17 - ditto (Labourer?) - Rowley Regis (edited - missed her off)
Mary Ann Battey "“ Lodger "“ 10 "“ Rowley Regis
[dau of Elizabeth Batty (Parkes in 1841 census) ]
Next door
Samuel Battey "“ Head.M "“ 27 "“ Miner "“ Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Battey "“ Wife "“ 25 "“ Nailer "“ Halesowen
1861 Census - Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
John Parkes "“ Head.UM "“ 69 "“ Labourer "“ Rowley Regis
Phoebe Batey "“ Boarder.UM "“ 83 "“ Nail Maker "“ Rowley Regis
Eli Batey "“ Head.Widower "“ 33 "“ Miner Coal "“ Rowley Regis
Sarah Hill "“ Boarder.UM "“ 33 "“ Nail Maker "“ Rowley Regis
Thos Batey "“ Son "“ 9 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
Eli Batey "“ Son "“ 7 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
Phoebe Batey "“ Dau "“ 5 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
Ann Maria Batey "“ Dau "“ 4mths "“ Rowley Regis
Jane Hill "“ Dau [?Step Dau] "“ 5 "“ Scholar "“ Rowley Regis
All Born in Rowley Regis
Children of UNKNOWN BATTY and PHOEBE UNKNOWN are:
2. i. ELIZABETH2 BATTY, b. Abt. 1822, Rowley Regis.
ii. MARIAH BATTY, b. Abt. 1824, Rowley Regis.
iii. SAMUEL BATTY, b. Abt. 1826, Rowley Regis.
iv. ELI BATTY, b. Abt. 1827, Rowley Regis.
Generation No. 2
2. ELIZABETH2 BATTY (UNKNOWN1 BATTY) was born Abt. 1822 in Rowley Regis. She married (1) UNKNOWN UNKNOWN. She married (2) THOMAS WESTWOOD 27 May 1844 in St Thomas' Dudley.
Marriage Notes for ELIZABETH BATTY and THOMAS WESTWOOD:
Marriage Details: 27 May 1844 at St Thomas, Dudley
Thomas Westwood "“ OFA "“ Bachelor "“ Miner "“ Netherton - Joseph Westwood (Dec) - Nailer
Elizabeth Bateley "“ OFA "“ Spinster "“ Derby Hand - No Father"™s name
Wit : John Westwood, Hannah Westwood
Child of ELIZABETH BATTY and UNKNOWN UNKNOWN is:
i. MARY ANN3 BATTY, b. 30 Dec 1840, Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis (Source: Ancestry Tree.); d. Bef. 31 Mar 1890, Dudley District 6 Age: 49; m. WILLIAM BELCHER, 14 Apr 1859, St Luke's, Reddal Hill (Source: Parish Register.); b. Abt. 1838, Rowley Regis; d. 1900, Sep Qtr Dudley 6c 6 Age: 63 possible.
More About WILLIAM BELCHER:
Burial: 1900, Sep Qtr Dudley 6c 6 Age: 63 possible
Marriage Notes for MARY BATTY and WILLIAM BELCHER:
Marriage Details: 4 April 1859 - St Luke's, Reddall Hill, Cradley
William Bellcher- 21yrs - Bachelor - Collier - Gosty Hill - William Bellcher - Boatman
Mary Ann Batty - 20yrs - Spinster - Gosty Hill - Elizabeth Westwood (Mother's Name)
Witnesses: John Bellcher, Ann Rose
1861 Census - Spinners End, Reddal Hill, Rowley Regis
William Belcher - H.M - 22 - Miner coal - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Maryann Belcher - Wife - 20 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Thomas Belcher - Son - 2 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Sarah Ann Belcher - Dau - 3 mths - Rowley Regis, Staffs
1871 Census - 27 Double Row, Netherton
William Belcher - H.M. - 33 - Labourer - Darby End, Netherton
Mary Ann Belcher - Wife - 30 - Old Hill
Sarah Ann Belcher - Dau - 10 - Old Hill
Mary Ann Belcher - Dau - 10w/mths - Darby End, Netherton
Mary Ann Barnsley - Boarder/UM - 26 - Nailmaker - Darby End, Netherton
Martha Barnsley - Dau - 4 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
1881 Census - 7 Windmill End, Netherton, Worcs
William Belcher - H.M. - 44 - General Labourer - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Mary A Belcher - Wife - 40 - Rowley Regis, Staffs
Mary A Belcher - Dau - 10 - Dudley, Worcs
Phoebe Belcher - Dau - 7 - Dudley, Worcs
No Name Belcher - Son - 3wks - Dudley, Worcs
John Spencer - Boarder.M (n.b. Son in Law) - 19 - Horse Nail Forger - Dudley, Worcs
Sarah A Spencer - Boarder - Wife (n.b. Daughter) - 19 - Dudley, Worcs
1891 Census - 43 Windmill End, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs
John Spencer - H.M - 29 - Nailer - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Sarah Spencer (nee Belcher) - Wife - 30 - Waterfall Lane, Old Hill, Staffs
George Spencer - Son - 10 - Scholar - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
William Spencer - Son - 8 - Scholar - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Nellie Spencer - Dau - 8 - Scholar - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Elizabeth Spencer - Dau - 4 - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
Mary Spencer - Dau - 5?mths - Windmill End, Dudley, Worcs
**William Belcher - Father in Law.Widow - 58 - Labourer Furnace - Dog Lane, Staffs
Last edited by BC Wench on Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Researching: PARGETER, BELCHER, BRADLEY, DANDO, ROWLEY, ROWSELL
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
Ok Barb who is Phebe b 1834 dau of do we know?
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
PHEBE BATTY Christening: 19 APR 1835 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BATTY
Mother: OLIVE Extracted
interesting that name Olive Rosannah uses it for one of her kids
is Wm Batty another kid of Phebes?
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BATTY
Mother: OLIVE Extracted
interesting that name Olive Rosannah uses it for one of her kids
is Wm Batty another kid of Phebes?
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Re: Parish Records in the Black Country
How do you Know that Mary Ann is not dau of Phebe if you havent got the certif?
On 1851 census Mary Ann is not listed as son or daughter but Eli is. She is just listed as lodger. Also in 1841 she does not have surname Parkes like other children.
The marriage for her....does it actually say on certif Maria Batie? or Maria Bates?
I have a copy of the original parish record and it looks like Maria Batie. It was transcribed wrong.
I think Eli's first wife Eliza Johnson died in either 1857 or 1858 because they are the only registered deaths that match. Does that mean Ann Maria and Samuel must be Sarah Hill's children? If Sarah is recorded as a widow in 1871 Eli probably died between 1861-1871. I found this:
Eli Batty death registered 1863 Dec Qtr Stourbridge 6c 94
Are there any christenings for Phebe's children that have the father recorded?
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