Ricketts/Rollason/Shakespeare ...ok, now it gets complicated

[sp1]

This post is a continuation of the Mary Shakespeare descendants thread.

Here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=11798

John Ricketts and Emma Rollason had the following children:
John 1900-61
Richard James 1902-70
Joseph Samuel 1904-70
Emily/Emma 1908
Walter 1912-13
Caroline 1914-16

Joseph Samuel Ricketts (1904-70) married Beatrice May Crook (1906-72)
Her parents were Edward Crook (1878-1956) (More of him later), and Jane Rollason (1880-1954). Jane was the daughter of John Rollason (here on BCC: http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family) and Emma Smith - his parents being James Rollason and Sarah Wheale. This means that Jane Rollason and Emma Rollason who married John Ricketts were cousins, so Joseph Samuel Ricketts and his wife Beatrice Mary Crook were 2nd cousins.

It doesnt end there though.................
Jane Rollason, who married Edward Crook (mentioned him earlier you remember) - his parents were Edward Crook (b 1849, Chalford, Glos) and Elizabeth Round (b 1849 Dudley). Her parents (Elizabeth Round) were Samuel Round (b 1824 Dudley) and Eliza Southall (b 1830 Dudley, d 1908 Lehi, Utah). Eliza Rounds parents were John Round and Sarah Southall?.
Eliza Round also married Lot(t) Russon (b 1828 Netherton, m 1850 Dudley) - his parents were Thomas Russon & Sarah Davies. Sarah was the daughter of Lot Davies and Hannah Shakespeare on BCC here: http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ies-Family

Phew! Work that out.
And Jan...........those Russons get everywhere!

[Northern Lass]

Can someone post the 1911 pls and can someone then add the kids pls to Bcc
John Ricketts and Emma Rollason had the following children:
John 1900-61
Richard James 1902-70
Joseph Samuel 1904-70
Emily/Emma 1908
Walter 1912-13
Caroline 1914-16

[Northern Lass]

1904
RICKETTS Joseph S Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/246/499

[Northern Lass]

Do you have this marriage sp1

1930
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
RICKETTS Joseph S CROOK Beatrice M Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/012/157

[Northern Lass]

Can someone post the 1911 pls
for her


1906
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
CROOK Beatrice M Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/251/440

[Northern Lass]

need to verify as much of this as we can before I add it

so what do you have re marriages etc

[Northern Lass]

anyone want to work thru this off to watch tv

[Annie]

Poss

1911 3 Court 1 Bath St Dudley
RICKETTS, John Head Married 35 1876 Vice Striker Dudley
RICKETTS, Emma Wife Married
12 years F 36 1875 Dudley
RICKETTS, John Son Single M 11 1900 Dudley
RICKETTS, Richard Son Single M 9 1902 Dudley
RICKETTS, Joseph Son Single M 7 1904 Dudley
RICKETTS, Emma Daughter Single F 2 1909 Dudley
8 children born, 4 alive, 4 died


Poss for Beatrice ??
1911 19 Minories Dudley
CROOK, Jane Wife Widow F 31 1880 Charwoman Dudley Wor
CROOK, Rosannah Daughter F 9 1902 Scholar Dudley Wor
CROOK, Beatrice Daughter Single F 5 1906 Scholar Dudley Wor
CROOK, Doris Daughter F 3 1908 Dudley Wor
CROOK, Joseph Son M 1 1910 Dudley Wor
Annie

[Maths girl]

Can someone post the 1911 pls
for her


1906
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
CROOK Beatrice M Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/251/440

Is this her?
1911 19 Minories Dudley
CROOK, Jane Wife Widow F 31 1880 Charwoman Dudley Wor
CROOK, Rosannah Daughter F 9 1902 Scholar Dudley Wor
CROOK, Beatrice Daughter Single F 5 1906 Scholar Dudley Wor
CROOK, Doris Daughter F 3 1908 Dudley Wor
CROOK, Joseph Son M 1 1910 Dudley Wor

[Northern Lass]

Thanks

[Northern Lass]

Where is Edward on 1911 if he doesn't die until later that must be a mistake as Jane widow on 1911

[Northern Lass]

It is an Ellen not Emma Smith

1871
SMITH Ellen ROLLASON John Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/006/193

1869
CROOK Edward ROUND Elizabeth Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/005/232

[Northern Lass]

this bit here can we prove...

sp1 says.."Her parents (Elizabeth Round) were Samuel Round (b 1824 Dudley) and Eliza Southall (b 1830 Dudley, d 1908 Lehi, Utah)."


and is that her name Eliza Round? or Eliza Southall.....is there a marriage?
"Eliza Rounds parents were John Round and Sarah Southall?."


"Eliza Round also married Lot(t) Russon (b 1828 Netherton, m 1850 Dudley) - his parents were Thomas Russon & Sarah Davies. Sarah was the daughter of Lot Davies and Hannah Shakespeare on BCC here: http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ies-Family"

need marriage info for this lot

have added some but need this above checked

[Northern Lass]

Eliza Round couldnt marry Lot russon and Samuel Round

She is with Lot in 1861
1861. Netherton Hill, Dudley.
Lot Russon, head, 32, Coal Miner.
Eliza, wife, 30.
Charlotte, daur, 10.
Thomas, son, 8.
Mary, daur, 5.
Sarah, daur, 3.
Lot, son, 1.
All born Netherton, Dudley.


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

and the other Eliza that marries Samuel is on census with Samuel Round in 1861

so which Eliza marries Samuel Round?

[Northern Lass]

Eliza Round is illegitimate on bapt record
she puts Samuel as father but without a marriage for mother we don't know this wasnt just made up name

Christening record states....
14 Nov 1830 St Thomas Dudley
Eliza dau of Sarah Round Baptist End illegitimate

Marriage info for Eliza by Jan
25 Dec 1850 St Thomas Dudley
Lot Russon- 21- bach- miner- Netherton-Thomas Russon - dead- miner
Eliza Round- 20 - spinster- Dudley- Samuel Round- nailer
banns
X both
Wit- X Hannah Grainger/ Edwin Price

This looks like Eliza in 1841 2 house away from "mother" Sarah and her husband John Southall
So prob with her step gd parents 2 houses away from mother and john southall
1841.
James Southall 50. Nailer.
Sophia Southall 50.
Benjamin Southall 15.
Wm Southall 20.
Ruth Southall 15.
Joseph Southall 14.
James Southall 4.
William Southall 7 Mo.
Eliza Round 10.

mother marries John Southall in 1840
30 March 1840 St Marys Kingswinford
John Southall- of full age- bach- nailer- Pensnett- James Southall- nailer
Sarah Round- of full age- spinster- nailer- Pensnett-William Round- Boatman
X both
Wit- X Richard Round/Sarah Round X

1841. Netherton Hill.
William Round 70.
John Southall 25.
Sarah Southall 40.
Phebe Southall 8 Mo