3x Great Grandfathers were brothers? ARC TBC?

[MarkCDodd]

I have this 3x Great Grandad

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/124860/59338/Samuel-Hadley-Family

and this one

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/124860/38946/Henry-Hadley-Family

The Hadleys in my tree are notorious for changing their County, Parish and year of birth throughout the Census so it is hard to pin them down.

Many trees have these two as brothers.

If we take the information for Samuel first.....

Others claim this is his marriage to the Mary Unknown on BCC

Groom's Name: Samuel Hadley
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Ann Parkes
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 15 Jul 1830
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01901-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 350609
Reference Number: pg. 136 - # 407

and that this is his baptism

Name: Samuel Hadley
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Oct 1803
Baptism/Christening Place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Hadley
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01376-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 886634
Reference Number:

He lived in various houses in Brasshouse Lane, Harborne and died at 11 Brasshouse Lane in 1891.

According to his death certificate, as witnessed by his daughter Phoebe, he was 83 years of age giving a birth of around 1808, not 1803.

On census, his year and place of birth are:

1841: Born Worcestershire 1811
1851: Born Halesowen, Worcestershire 1805
1861: Born Red Hill, Worcestershire 1803
1871: Born Worcestershire 1808
1881: Born Beech Lanes, Worcestershire 1802

If we move onto Henry, this is his marriage:

Groom's Name: Henry Hadley
Bride's Name: Hannah Purcell
Marriage Date: 19th September 1825
Marriage Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Church: Saint Martin's
Denomination:
Church Register Entry:
Minister/Priest/Celebrant:
Licence/Banns?:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Groom's Abode:
Groom's Parish: Of this parish
Groom's Occupation:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Bride's Abode:
Bride's Parish: Of this parish
Bride's Occupation:
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Father's Occupation:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Father's Occupation:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Marital Status: Bachelor
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Marital Status: Spinster
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Groom's Signature: Henry [x] Hadley
Bride's Signature: Hannah [x] Purcell
Witness: John Crafe(?)
Witness: Ann Fenton
Notes:

And this is supposed to be his Baptism:

Name: Henry Hadley
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Aug 1802
Baptism/Christening Place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Hadley
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01376-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 886634
Reference Number:

Henry only appears on one census and he is living in Old Hall Street, West Brom and give his birth as abt 1801, Staffordshire.

CAn we PLEASE try and sort these two out and get a definate opinion on if they are siblings.....

[Northern Lass]

moved to Brickwalls

[gardener]

Hi Mark. I'm taking the liberty of editing out some lines - my brain does not hold information so well these days, easier if I can see it with less scrolling and filtering

I have this 3x Great Grandad

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/124860/59338/Samuel-Hadley-Family and this one http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/family-tree/bcconnections/124860/38946/Henry-Hadley-Family

The Hadleys in my tree are notorious for changing their County, Parish and year of birth throughout the Census so it is hard to pin them down. Many trees have these two as brothers.
If we take the information for Samuel first.....
Others claim this is his marriage to the Mary Unknown on BCC

Groom's Name: Samuel Hadley
Bride's Name: Mary Ann Parkes
Marriage Date: 15 Jul 1830
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:

and that this is his baptism

Name: Samuel Hadley
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 23 Oct 1803
Baptism/Christening Place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Hadley
Mother's Name: Mary

He lived in various houses in Brasshouse Lane, Harborne and died at 11 Brasshouse Lane in 1891.
According to his death certificate, as witnessed by his daughter Phoebe, he was 83 years of age giving a birth of around 1808, not 1803.
On census, his year and place of birth are:

1841: Born Worcestershire 1811
1851: Born Halesowen, Worcestershire 1805
1861: Born Red Hill, Worcestershire 1803
1871: Born Worcestershire 1808
1881: Born Beech Lanes, Worcestershire 1802

If we move onto Henry, this is his marriage:

Groom's Name: Henry Hadley
Bride's Name: Hannah Purcell
Marriage Date: 19th September 1825
Marriage Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Church: Saint Martin's
Groom's Parish: Of this parish
Bride's Parish: Of this parish
Groom's Marital Status: Bachelor
Bride's Marital Status: Spinster
Groom's Signature: Henry [x] Hadley
Bride's Signature: Hannah [x] Purcell
Witness: John Crafe(?)
Witness: Ann Fenton

And this is supposed to be his Baptism:

Name: Henry Hadley
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Aug 1802
Baptism/Christening Place: HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Hadley
Mother's Name: Mary

Henry only appears on one census and he is living in Old Hall Street, West Brom and give his birth as abt 1801, Staffordshire.

CAn we PLEASE try and sort these two out and get a definate opinion on if they are siblings.....

[gardener]

The question is, are there any other possibilities?

Henry doesn't seem to have much to fix him in time or space. Aged 40 in the 1841 census I presume, living West Brom and born in county.

With the age rounding in 1841 that would also fit for age?
I find it curious that neither Henry nor Samuel named a son George.
George and Mary seem to have children Henry/Samuel/Oliver/Charles/Mary Ann which don't seem to be similar to either Samuel and Mary's or Henry and Hannah's children


Other than the baptism above, there is also
Henry Hadley bpt 24 Sep 1797 HALESOWEN,"‹WORCESTER,"‹ENGLAND parents Ezekial and Elizabeth.

Ezekial and Elizabeth also had a son William in 1782 and daughter Phoebe in 1783. Henry has children named William and Phoebe.

There is an Ezekial Hadley in the 1851 census, born 1820, Smethwick. He seems to be the son of William Hadley and Elizabeth, and is in the new Familysearch list as born Smethwick and baptised at along with John and Samuel (?older brothers not born at Smethwick).

Is it possible that your Henry is the son of Ezekial and Elizabeth, and he and his brother William were both living in the Smethwick area?

[MarkCDodd]

I was having a look at Ezekial as the weird biblical names are common through the family.

I just wish they would occasionally use a middle name....

[BC Wench]

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?

Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to the Brickwalls Archived section
within 24 hours

[MarkCDodd]

I haven't had a look at much family tree stuff in the last few months due to health probs...

So it is still a brick wall and one I will attempt to tackle this week....

[MarkCDodd]

What is a "teezer". It is Henry Hadley's occupation listed on Ann's marriage to Andrew Waterhouse.

[BC Wench]

I will leave this for now Mark.

Could a teezer be something to do with hair - horses? Or to do with the cotton industry?

Have you read the private message I sent to you re Danks Farm?