John Plant and son Joseph b 1873

[Northern Lass]

Can we find Joseph b 1873 pls on census pre marriage he marries 1897
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =554625566

on Census in 1901 he is with Simeon Ruston his wifes step father
he is born Barrow Lancs

where is he on 1881 and 1891 pls

and does he connect somehow to Richmond Plant?

Because.....I think...Joseph Lowe / Eber Lowe and Sarah Lowe all sibs and marry into the Poole/Ruston/ Plant line.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =776630335

Simeon on 1871 is living near Brother in law Eber Lowe.
Eber Lowe marries Simeons sister Rebecca Ruston.

Simeon on 1881 is living near to Richmond Plant.Richmond Plant marries Sarah Lowe. Sarah Lowe is sister to Eber Lowe and Joseph Lowe.
Eber Lowe marries Simeons sister
Joseph Lowe marries Ann Poole and Ann Goes on to marry Simeon Ruston.

So is it just coincidence the Richmond Plant line
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =292202191

[Dennis]

Intriguing, NL! There could well be such a connection. I'll have a look.

[Dennis]

1881 13 Granville St, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
William Leese head married 40 Furnace man b Worsal, Staffordshire,
Margaret Leese wife married 39 b Liverpool, Lancashire,
Marther S. Leese dau 11 Scholar b Barrow, Lancashire,
Richard S. Leese son 8 Scholar b Barrow Lancashire,
Ada S. Leese dau 6 b Barrow, Lancashire,
Lilly Leese dau 1 b Barrow, Lancashire,
Mary Plant Visitor married 37 seamstress b Black Heath
John Plant Visitor 14 b Black Heath Visitor
Joseph Plant Visitor b Black Heath

[Dennis]

Could this be John b. c. 1868?:

1911 Address: 114 Malt Mill Lane Blackheath Staffordshire
PLANT, John Head Married M 42 1869 Locket Making Blackheath Staffs
PLANT, Martha Wife Married 12 years F 43 1868 Gosty Hill Nr Halesowen Worcs
PLANT, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Screwing Blackheath Nr Birmham Staffs
PLANT, Lily Daughter Single F 17 1894 Screwing Blackheath Nr Birmham Staffs
PLANT, John Son Single M 11 1900 School Blackheath Nr Birmham Staffs
PLANT, Amy Daughter School F 9 1902 School Blackheath Nr Birmham Staffs


And perhaps in 1891 with first wife?:

1891 Malt Hill Lane, Hill, Blackheath
Mary Bowater head wid 40 b Halesowen, Worcestershire
John Bowater son 15 Tube worker lab b Halesowen, Worcestershire,
Mary Bowater dau 13 scholar b Halesowen, Worcestershire,
Samuel Bowater son 6 scholar b Halesowen, Worcestershire,
Joseph H Baskefield boarder 1 b Dudley, Worcestershire,
John Plant lodger m 23 Tube worker lab b Rowley, Staffordshire,
Polly Plant lodgers wife m 23 b Halesowen, Worcestershire,
Annie Plant lodgers dau 1 b Halesowen, Worcestershire,

[Northern Lass]

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =853450130

1890
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PLANT John HIGLEY Mary A Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/006/190


1898
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PLANT John PARKES Martha Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/003/341

[Dennis]

Is it possible that this John b. c. 1868 could be the son of John Plant and Sarah [?], living next door to Joseph Pinson Plant and Priscilla née Jones in Halesowen Street, Rowley Regis in the 1871 census. And could the two families be connected?:

John Plant, b. abt. 1846 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Sarah Plant wife b. abt 1847 Halesowen, Worcestershire
John Plant b. abt. 1868 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Sarah A Plant b. abt. 1871 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire

Joseph [Pinson] Plant b. abt 1843 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Priscilla Plant b. abt. 1844 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Ann Plant b. abt. 1867 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Mary Plant b. abt. 1869 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Unnamed daughter 1 day old

[Dennis]

This line maybe?:

Descendants of Phoebe Brookes

Generation No. 1

1. PHOEBE1 BROOKES was born Abt. 1795 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Abt. 1854 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married PINSON PLANT 07 May 1815 in St Giles' church, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, son of ELIZABETH PLANT. He was born 1794 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Dec 1854 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.

Children of PHOEBE BROOKES and PINSON PLANT are:
2. i. JOSEPH2 PLANT, b. 09 Aug 1820, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire; d. 03 Apr 1855, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
ii. NANCY PLANT, b. 24 Mar 1824, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
3. iii. LUCY PLANT, b. Abt. 1830, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
iv. ROSANNAH PLANT, b. 04 Feb 1832, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
v. ELIZABETH PLANT, b. Abt. 1837, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.


Generation No. 2

2. JOSEPH2 PLANT (PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born 09 Aug 1820 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died 03 Apr 1855 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married ANN JOHNSON 09 Jan 1843 in St Thomas' church, Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of JOSEPH JOHNSON. She was born Abt. 1821.

Children of JOSEPH PLANT and ANN JOHNSON are:
4. i. JOSEPH PINSON3 PLANT, b. Abt. 1843, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire; d. Aft. 1911, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
5. ii. JOHN PLANT, b. Abt. 1846, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.


3. LUCY2 PLANT (PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born Abt. 1830 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. She married WILLIAM LAW Mar 1857, son of SAMUEL LAW and ANN UNKNOWN. He was born Abt. 1830 in Tipton, Staffordshire.

Children of LUCY PLANT and WILLIAM LAW are:
i. ELIZABETH3 LAW, b. Abt. 1853, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
ii. BENJAMIN LAW, b. Abt. 1858, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
iii. ISAIAH LAW, b. Abt. 1861, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
iv. WILLIAM LAW, b. Abt. 1863, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
v. MATILDA LAW, b. Abt. 1865, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
vi. JOSEPH PINSON LAW, b. Abt. 1867, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
6. vii. ISAAC LAW, b. Abt. 1870, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
7. viii. PHOEBE LAW, b. Abt. 1873, Hasbury, Worcestershire; d. 1955, Kidderminster, Worcestershire.


Generation No. 3

4. JOSEPH PINSON3 PLANT (JOSEPH2, PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born Abt. 1843 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Aft. 1911 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married PRISCILLA JONES 25 Dec 1865 in St Edmund's, Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of GEORGE JONES and MARY INGRAM. She was born Abt. 1844 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.

Children of JOSEPH PLANT and PRISCILLA JONES are:
i. ANN4 PLANT, b. Abt. 1867, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire; d. Aft. 1911.
8. ii. MARY PLANT, b. Abt. 1869, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire; d. Aft. 1911.


5. JOHN3 PLANT (JOSEPH2, PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born Abt. 1846 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married SARAH BULLAS 06 Jun 1865 in Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of SOLOMON BULLAS. She was born Abt. 1847 in Halesowen, Worcestershire.

Children of JOHN PLANT and SARAH BULLAS are:
i. JOHN4 PLANT, b. Abt. 1868, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
ii. SARAH A PLANT, b. 1871, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.


6. ISAAC3 LAW (LUCY2 PLANT, PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born Abt. 1870 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He married SARAH JANE WHILEY 1889 in St Luke's church, Cradley Heath, Staffs. She was born Abt. 1870 in Halesowen, Worcestershire.

Children of ISAAC LAW and SARAH WHILEY are:
i. GERTRUDE4 LAW, b. Abt. 1890, Halesowen, Worcestershire.
ii. ISAAC LAW, b. Abt. 1892, Halesowen, Worcestershire.
iii. MARY LAW, b. Abt. 1894, Halesowen, Worcestershire.
iv. SYDNEY LAW, b. Abt. 1897, Halesowen, Worcestershire; d. 1957.
v. WILLIAM THOMAS LAW, b. 1902, Halesowen, Worcestershire.


7. PHOEBE3 LAW (LUCY2 PLANT, PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born Abt. 1873 in Hasbury, Worcestershire, and died 1955 in Kidderminster, Worcestershire. She married FREDERICK WESTWOOD Sep 1891 in St John the Baptist church, Halesowen, Worcestershire. He was born 1872 in Hasbury, Worcestershire, and died Aft. 1911.

Children of PHOEBE LAW and FREDERICK WESTWOOD are:
i. ELIZABETH4 WESTWOOD, b. Abt. 1895, Hasbury, Worcestershire; d. Aft. 1911.
ii. FREDERICK WESTWOOD, b. Abt. 1896, Hasbury, Worcestershire; d. 05 Apr 1916, Basra, Iraq.

Notes for FREDERICK WESTWOOD:
Name:Frederick Westwood
Birth Place:Halesowen, Worcs
Residence:Halesowen
Death Date:5 Apr 1916
Death Location:Mesopotamia
Enlistment Location:Worcester
Rank:Private
Regiment:Worcestershire Regiment
Battalion:9th Battalion
Number:20918
Type of Casualty:Killed in action
Theatre of War:Asiatic Theatres


iii. PERCY WESTWOOD, b. Abt. 1902, Hasbury, Worcestershire; d. Aft. 1911.
iv. DORIS WESTWOOD, b. Abt. 1909, Hasbury, Worcestershire; d. Aft. 1911.


Generation No. 4

8. MARY4 PLANT (JOSEPH PINSON3, JOSEPH2, PHOEBE1 BROOKES) was born Abt. 1869 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Aft. 1911. She married ARTHUR OWEN BUTTERWORTH Abt. Apr 1891 in St Luke's church, Cradley Heath, Staffs, son of JAMES BUTTERWORTH and FRANCES UNKNOWN. He was born Abt. Jan 1868 in Kingswinford, Staffordshire, and died Abt. Mar 1945 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.

Notes for ARTHUR OWEN BUTTERWORTH:
In `1911 census "Railway Engine Driver" living at New Road Overend Cradley with wife and children, Ann Plant "relative", 44, "domestic servant". Daughter Gwendoline Butterworth, 8 months, listed below Ann Plant's name.

Children of MARY PLANT and ARTHUR BUTTERWORTH are:
i. BEATRICE MAUDE5 BUTTERWORTH, b. Abt. Apr 1894, Cradley, Worcestershire; d. Aft. 1911.
ii. PRISCILLA BUTTERWORTH, b. Abt. Oct 1898, Cradley, Worcestershire; m. FREDERICK A POUND, Abt. Sep 1921, Dudley, Worcestershire.
iii. JOSEPH VICTOR BUTTERWORTH, b. 27 Feb 1901, Cradley, Worcestershire; d. Jun 1976, Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
iv. MARY GWENDOLINE BUTTERWORTH, b. 1910, Cradley, Worcestershire.

[Northern Lass]

Is it possible that this John b. c. 1868 could be the son of John Plant and Sarah [?], living next door to Joseph Pinson Plant and Priscilla née Jones in Halesowen Street, Rowley Regis in the 1871 census. And could the two families be connected?:

John Plant, b. abt. 1846 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Sarah Plant wife b. abt 1847 Halesowen, Worcestershire
John Plant b. abt. 1868 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Sarah A Plant b. abt. 1871 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire

Joseph [Pinson] Plant b. abt 1843 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Priscilla Plant b. abt. 1844 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Ann Plant b. abt. 1867 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Mary Plant b. abt. 1869 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Unnamed daughter 1 day old

I have the marriages now Dennis courtesy of RF

I think it is JOhn Plant b 1867 with mother Mary plant and his bro JOseph Plant

cos on marriages both of them JOhn Plant father is Bricklayer same as on JOseph Plants
Elizabeth Bowater is one of the wits

so that one in 1881 looks good to me

I think Joseph Plant b 1873 and bro JOhn Plant b 1867 have father John Plant bricklayer and mother Mary

would really need birth for Joseph Plant

what you think Dennis?
will add to Bcc and put link on later

oh dont think the John Plant and Mary Southall is right one ....might be ...but both wids on and no fathers

[Dennis]

The William Leese in Barrow connection is interesting. He was variously born in "Worsal", Kingswinford and Dudley c. 1841. In 1891:

William Leese Charlotte abt 1841 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Charlotte Leese William abt 1843 Barrow, Lancashire, England Wife Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Richard Leese William Charlotte abt 1873 Barrow, Lancashire, England Son Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Ada Leese William, Charlotte abt 1875 Barrow, Lancashire, England Daughter Barrow in Furness, Lancashire

I wonder what his connection was with the Plants?

[Dennis]

Curiouser and curiouser, Jan! I'm quite lost with this one - whatever you say

[Northern Lass]

We need to get his birth certif really for Joseph Plant to see who his mother is
wanna go halves

[Dennis]

Yeah OK!

[Northern Lass]

I will order this one
if it is correct one buy me a drink at the do!

I couldnt see another one he puts Barrow Lancashire on 1901 and 1911
so this one?

Births Sep 1873
Plant Joseph Ulverston 8e 722

[Northern Lass]

or you could order this one and I will order the other one .....
1867
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PLANT John Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/45/208

on this one say you only want it if mother is mary maybe leave fathers name off?

or say you only want it if father is John and mother mary
or if only mother on it needs to be mary

[Northern Lass]

Is it possible that this John b. c. 1868 could be the son of John Plant and Sarah [?], living next door to Joseph Pinson Plant and Priscilla née Jones in Halesowen Street, Rowley Regis in the 1871 census. And could the two families be connected?:

John Plant, b. abt. 1846 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Sarah Plant wife b. abt 1847 Halesowen, Worcestershire
John Plant b. abt. 1868 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Sarah A Plant b. abt. 1871 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire

Joseph [Pinson] Plant b. abt 1843 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Priscilla Plant b. abt. 1844 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Ann Plant b. abt. 1867 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Mary Plant b. abt. 1869 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Unnamed daughter 1 day old

I think we have 2 JOhn Plants both with father Bricklayer

I think the marriages I have for John and Mary ann Higley then to Martha parkes are this JOhn

and the one in Barrow in 1881 is another one. with a mother Mary and bro JOseph