completed............Thomas SIVITER Tromans why?

[Northern Lass]

Can anyone crack this.....why are they Called Thomas Siviter TRomans
spent ages on this other day

one here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =310428210

Then his uncle here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =100889819
not called him the Siviter Tromans bit as need to cf bapt but think it is him

Then here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =130152017

Going back to here on that line
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =722812402

Can we find
-a marriage for the top Thomas TRomans
-a bapt for him
-why does he call kids with that siviter name

[MarkCDodd]

Common for a child's middle name to be the maiden name of mother or grandmother.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: SIVITER, Joseph
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1872
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 231

MarriageFinder: Joseph Siviter married one of the following people:

SMITH, Emma

TROMANS, Mary

HADLEY, Daniel

[Northern Lass]

Yes but that name travels way back to the link I gave

why does that particular family of Thomas Tromans and Elizabeth call sons Thomas Siviter
and even a dau Elizabeth Siviter

need marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth and his bapt
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=55536157

(the one you flag marries emma smith
1872 SIVITER Joseph SMITH Emma Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/1/249 )


I wonder if Thomas Tromans
b 1780 ish......marries an Elizabeth Siviter
or if his mother is a siviter

[linell]

Common for a child's middle name to be the maiden name of mother or grandmother.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: SIVITER, Joseph
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1872
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 231

MarriageFinder: Joseph Siviter married one of the following people:

SMITH, Emma

TROMANS, Mary

HADLEY, Daniel

It doesn't always follow that middle names have family connections, I have a James Heaton Darby, the 'Heaton' was the name of the local Baptist Pastor. Linell.

[cid]

Don't know if this is any help

from Family Search

groom's name: William Sivater
bride's name: Sarah Trowman
marriage date: 14 Mar 1768
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 378770

[cid]

Family Search has this
??

Groom's name: Thomas Troman
bride's name: Elizabeth Hampton
marriage date: 22 Aug 1797
marriage place: Rowley Parish, England
indexing project (batch) number: I03880-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

[FarSide]

3 of the kids are bapt on the same day
They have also used Baker as a middle name, just as confusing..

1 May 1811
Willm, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Aug 24 1806
Josh Baker, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Jan 18 1808
Thos Siviter, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Dec 26 1809

[FarSide]

from BCC
1841 Old Hill
William Troman 30 Gun Barrel welder
Eliza Troman 24
Henry Tromans 17
Ednah Tromans 16 (female column)
George Tromans 14
Daniel Tromans 12
Edmund Tromans 8
Alfred Tromans 4 months
all say yes to born in County

Edmund bapt, their last kid
21 Apr 1833 Edmund, s of Thomas & Eliz Truman, Old Hill, Victualler

poss death
23 Jul 1834 Eliz Truman, Old Hill, 46, Fever

don't see a death for Thomas except this one.. not sure where 'The Crosses' is
28 May 1841 Thomas Troman, The Crosses, 62

[linell]

Must be Old Hill Cross FS, famous landmark, still is today, everyone knows of Old Hill Cross.

Linell.

[gardener]

3 of the kids are bapt on the same day
They have also used Baker as a middle name, just as confusing..

1 May 1811
Willm, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Aug 24 1806
Josh Baker, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Jan 18 1808
Thos Siviter, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Dec 26 1809

I wonder if this http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ker-Family fits in the mix.

If Thomas Tromans (1780) married Elizabeth Siviter Baker (1788) then that would perhaps explain it? Or is that just crazy-not-had-coffee-yet talk?

[Northern Lass]

3 of the kids are bapt on the same day
They have also used Baker as a middle name, just as confusing..

1 May 1811
Willm, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Aug 24 1806
Josh Baker, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Jan 18 1808
Thos Siviter, s of Thos & Elizth Trowman, born Dec 26 1809

I wonder if this http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ker-Family fits in the mix.

If Thomas Tromans (1780) married Elizabeth Siviter Baker (1788) then that would perhaps explain it? Or is that just crazy-not-had-coffee-yet talk?

That looks good is there a marriage?

[Northern Lass]

I cant see one but I am going to add as a possible and hyperlink


done with this now thanks everyone

[Northern Lass]

from BCC
1841 Old Hill
William Troman 30 Gun Barrel welder
Eliza Troman 24
Henry Tromans 17
Ednah Tromans 16 (female column)
George Tromans 14
Daniel Tromans 12
Edmund Tromans 8
Alfred Tromans 4 months
all say yes to born in County

Edmund bapt, their last kid
21 Apr 1833 Edmund, s of Thomas & Eliz Truman, Old Hill, Victualler

poss death
23 Jul 1834 Eliz Truman, Old Hill, 46, Fever

don't see a death for Thomas except this one.. not sure where 'The Crosses' is
28 May 1841 Thomas Troman, The Crosses, 62

I didnt know either where it was FS but RF says here tis

Garretts Lane- Halesowen Road Then across to Reddal Hill Road it was a staggered Cross- It was always called Old Hill Cross

put in Halesowen road Cradley Heath

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

[linell]

Here's some pictures of Old Hill Cross:-

http://www.blackcountrybugle.co.uk/News ... 092011.htm

HTH Linell.