ARC TBC........Finding the right John Williams in Halesowen!

[expat66]

Thanks to RF we now have the marriage for this Thomas Britton on BCC

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =617148227

21 Oct 1861 St Thomas, Dudley
Thomas Britton,full age,bachelor,miner,Dudley,father John Britton,labourer.
Sarah Williams,minor,spinster,Dudley, father John Williams,nail factor.
Both signed. Witnesses:- James Basterfield & 'mark of' Mary Basterfield

1871 Bloomfield Street,Hawn, Worcestershire, England
Thomas Britton,32,head,married, coal miner,
Sarah,26,wife,
Alice,7,daughter,
Eliza,5,daughter,
Albert,3,son. All born Halesowen

1881 Stourbridge Rd, Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Thomas Brittain,45,head,widow, coal miner,
Alice,16,daughter,unmarried,
Albert,12,son,
Amos,9,son,
Harry,6,son. All born Halesowen

I am having a problem working out if Sarah Williams connects into any of the Williams families on BCC

On the marriage she lists her father as John Williams a nail factor

Before their marriage I have Thomas Britton living in Short Cross Street
1861 Census Short Cross Hasbury Halesowen Stourbridge Worcestershire
John Brittian Head 58 Labourer Coal Pit born Norton Worcs.
Martha Brittian Wife 57 born Leominster Herefordshire
Thomas Brittian son 24 Coal Miner born Hasbury Worcs.
N.K. Brittian 1

There are also many 'Williams' living in Short Cross Street including this family...
John Williams,49,liscensed victualler,
Eliza,47,wife,
Sarah,16,daughter,housework
Eliza,12,daughter
William,8
John,5
All born Halesowen

Now could that be Sarah? ... though on her marriage her father is listed as nail factor? not victualler?

....and are they on BCC?... there are so many Williams on there

Thankyou
Expat

[expat66]

Just realised that I had missed something .....

Thomas Britton was a widower by 1881.... so the Sarah who shows up on the 1891 and 1901 census as his wife must be a different lady, not the Sarah Williams I have the marriage for.... she must have died between 1871 and 1881.

So can anyone work out who this second wife is.... is there a marriage that could be looked Up?
and which Sarah is the mother of the children born after 1871?? .... Amos and Harry?

Thankyou
Expat

[mumbles]

I think you have the right John Williams

and Sarah Brittain ( nee Williams) died aged 32 in 1877

and Thomas Brittain married a Sarah Hambury (or Hamburg) in 1883 Cradley

BRITTAINThomasHAMBURYSarahCradley Heath, St LukeSandwell Register Office20/2/4 1883

Sarah may have been widow and maiden name probably Bate

[mumbles]

Sarah Bate is on bcc born Cradley Worcs.

http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =118837657

1881 Census 2 Furlong Lane Cradley Stourbridge Worcs.
Sarah Hambury Head (wid) 41
James Hambury son 18 Chain Maker

so she possibly married an Hambury around 1861

[mumbles]

AMBERYJamesBATESarahDudley, St ThomasDudley Register Office204/016/472 1857

[mumbles]

1871 Census Windmill Hill Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
James Hamberady ( Hambery )Head 32 Miner born Quarry Bank Staffs
Sarah Hamberrady wife 31
Sarah Ann Hamberady dau 12 Nurse Girl
James Hamberady son 8 Scholar
Rest born Cradley Worcs.

Surname keeps changing on all records and became Hambrey on later census records for son James born 1863

[mumbles]

From Vicars Notes
1857 Two Lanes End
Hambrey ? John Collier wife Louisa
Ann ? Hambrey , James & Sarah( dau of 408 ) & 0

408 is Bloomers Row
Joseph Bate Nailer and wife Harriett
son Henry 21, Joseph 19,Sarah 17 ,Elizabeth 14,Benjamin 11 ,Phillip 8,David 4,
It looks like Sarah is shown in records as before and after marriage

1863 Birmingham Road South Side
James Hambry (Hawn Pit) wife Sarah
children Sarah Ann 5, Joseph 3

[Northern Lass]

Deaths Dec 1877
BRITTAIN Sarah 32 Stourbridge 6c 81

I will add this
death

[Northern Lass]

expat I am connecting up will look at marriages
to verify but looks ok I think

can you add all the census and kids for sarah and James pls

[gardener]

There are also many 'Williams' living in Short Cross Street including this family...
John Williams,49,liscensed victualler,
Eliza,47,wife,
Sarah,16,daughter,housework
Eliza,12,daughter
William,8
John,5
All born Halesowen

Now could that be Sarah? ... though on her marriage her father is listed as nail factor? not victualler?

It looks quite possible to be. John is a nailor in 1851 and in 1871 Eliza is widowed but sons William and John are labourers at ironworks.

[Northern Lass]

1863
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
AMBURY James Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/021/152

Going with this Hambrey as variant and connecting up
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =353079360

[mumbles]

John Williams who married Eliza
died before 1871 as wife Eliza is widow and son William Williams is married at 18 and living down the road

[Northern Lass]

If you think it looks like him and 2 seasoned researchers think it looks good
I would add them to Bcc with a note
then we know who to blame if it is incorrect

only joking! go for it

marriages checked out thanks to RF for marriages what would we do without him!


we can then archive this if all done

[Northern Lass]

flagging to archive unless you still need it here expat

[expat66]

NL,
You can archive this. I am hoping to have a bit of time today to go through my posts and add any info. to BCC that needs adding
Thanks
Expat