Florence White, Frederick John Edwards, Horace M Hackett

[maree.hackett]

Hi all

Trying to find any information on the above people.

Horace Mansell Hackett had a child [Henry Conrad Hackett] with a Florence White on 20/11/1898 while living at 8 Calverley Grove, Islington, Upper Holloway, County of London. I can't find any info on a 'marriage' between Horace and Florence (can anyone?) and would love any information at all on Florence.

I believe Horace later married a Mabel Burgess and went on to have six more children, one born in New York. I'm not sure if anyone else can confirm this? I got this from geneaology.com.

Florence later had a son Leslie/Lesley ?sp to a Frederick John Edwards. Frederick (Pop) died in New Zealand on 11/7/58 aged 87. Can't find any marriage info for Florence and Frederick either. Also keen on information regarding Frederick and Leslie/Lesley.

Thanks in advance all.

Cheers
M.

[mallosa]

Is this your Florence...

1901: 43 Hornsey Rise, Upper Holloway, Islington, London
Florence Hackett 24 Head Marr
Horace M Hackett 5 Son
Marie C Hackett 4 Dau
Henry C Hackett 2 Son
Maud Daniels 22 Sister in Law S New Brampton
(all born London)

[grangers14]

Hi M,
where is Horace on BCC? I cant see him.

Jo

[grangers14]

I wonder if you are getting mixed up with the Horace on BCC born 1881, his father George. He was born Islington but in Halesowen not London.
Jo

[maree.hackett]

Is this your Florence...

1901: 43 Hornsey Rise, Upper Holloway, Islington, London
Florence Hackett 24 Head Marr
Horace M Hackett 5 Son
Marie C Hackett 4 Dau
Henry C Hackett 2 Son
Maud Daniels 22 Sister in Law S New Brampton
(all born London)

That's fantastic, thanks. Looks like it could be. I'm on holidays for a few days. When I get access to my paperwork again I'll check and confirm or deny. Very exciting.
Cheers
M

[maree.hackett]

I wonder if you are getting mixed up with the Horace on BCC born 1881, his father George. He was born Islington but in Halesowen not London.
Jo

Thanks also. It is very possible. As in previous, I'll check paperwork once back at home and get back to you.
Cheers
M

[Northern Lass]

moving this to general as it doesnt at the moment seem to cover the BC area

do you have the Birth certifs for any of the kids?

how do you know mother is florence white
and the fathers name?

could this be them

Marriages Mar 1895

Diver Arthur Benjamin Shoreditch 1c 170
Hackett Arthur Shoreditch 1c 170
Needham Emily Shoreditch 1c 170
White Florence Maud Shoreditch 1c 170

do we have the family on 1911 pls anyone

[maree.hackett]

Is this your Florence...

1901: 43 Hornsey Rise, Upper Holloway, Islington, London
Florence Hackett 24 Head Marr
Horace M Hackett 5 Son
Marie C Hackett 4 Dau
Henry C Hackett 2 Son
Maud Daniels 22 Sister in Law S New Brampton
(all born London)

Lovely, yes, this looks to be my Florence, and Henry C is the one born in 1898.

Ta.

[maree.hackett]

moving this to general as it doesnt at the moment seem to cover the BC area

do you have the Birth certifs for any of the kids?

how do you know mother is florence white
and the fathers name?

could this be them

Marriages Mar 1895

Diver Arthur Benjamin Shoreditch 1c 170
Hackett Arthur Shoreditch 1c 170
Needham Emily Shoreditch 1c 170
White Florence Maud Shoreditch 1c 170

do we have the family on 1911 pls anyone

Okay - have paperwork in front of me now.

I have Henry Conrad Hackett's birth certificate (Appln #: POS 10281/62, BC 302870)
Born 20 Nov 1898, 8 Calverley Grove, Islington, Upper Holloway, County of London
Father on birth cert: Horace Mansell Hackett, occupation: commercial traveller
Mother on birth cert: Florence Hackett, formerly White
Registered 3 Jan 1899

Florence is the one found by mallosa - thanks again. Keen on any earlier information if anyone is able to track back?

Cleary by 1901, Horace Mansell no longer with Florence - which ties in with family verbal history, which indicates that Horace Mansell went to America.

Still interested in finding marriage certificate (if there is one) for Horace Mansell Hackett and Florence White and trying to work out where Horace Mansell came from.

[maree.hackett]

I wonder if you are getting mixed up with the Horace on BCC born 1881, his father George. He was born Islington but in Halesowen not London.
Jo

Thanks also. It is very possible. As in previous, I'll check paperwork once back at home and get back to you.
Cheers
M

Just looking through more pieces of paper, I think you are correct - it looks like my Horace Mansell Hackett was born ~1877.

So agree, no BCC connection.

Cheers
M.

[Northern Lass]

can anyone find a marriage for maree pls
with Florence White and Horace Mansell Hackett

and Horace on earlier census

Henry Conrad Hackett's birth certificate (Appln #: POS 10281/62, BC 302870)
Born 20 Nov 1898, 8 Calverley Grove, Islington, Upper Holloway, County of London
Father on birth cert: Horace Mansell Hackett, occupation: commercial traveller
Mother on birth cert: Florence Hackett, formerly White
Registered 3 Jan 1899

[grangers14]

? possible for Florence

1911. 24 Monnery Road, Tufnell Park, Islington
Frederick John Edwards, head, 39, married 16 years 4 children all living, House Painter, Strand, London
Florence Maud, wife, 33,
Horace, son, 15, Clerk
Marie, daur, 14, shop assistant
Harry, son, 11, High Gate
Leslie, son, 8, St Mary ?
Hannah Mary Cook, visitor, 66, single, Independent, Camden Town
All others born B?bury

fibbed about marriage too?

[maree.hackett]

? possible for Florence

1911. 24 Monnery Road, Tufnell Park, Islington
Frederick John Edwards, head, 39, married 16 years 4 children all living, House Painter, Strand, London
Florence Maud, wife, 33,
Horace, son, 15, Clerk
Marie, daur, 14, shop assistant
Harry, son, 11, High Gate
Leslie, son, 8, St Mary ?
Hannah Mary Cook, visitor, 66, single, Independent, Camden Town
All others born B?bury

fibbed about marriage too?

Thank you so much for all your work.

This def looks like my Frederick and my Florence but I've left all my paperwork at home so will confirm tomorrow. Makes sense given the son Leslie, who seems to be the correct age.

[maree.hackett]

Will also have a look through the other new info and see if I can link any of that up!

[maree.hackett]

Have checked info at home and think you're spot on grangers14. Brill. Ta.

Do you know whether Horace Hackett's marriage certificate is likely to also have his date of birth? Or something that states a name change from Jones to Hackett????

The Horace info all sounds correct. Up untill Henry Conrad travelled from New Zealand to England to bring Frederick John Edwards to NZed he thought Frederick was his father. Was on that trip that Florence (who by this time had hooked up with a friend of Henry's!) told Henry his real father was Horace and that Horace had gone to America. As such, I think Horace might have been an affair, so am guessing no marriage certificate for Horace and Florence.

The 1881 info on Henry 'Jones' is all new to me. Do you think Clerenwell might be Clerkenwell, which isn't far from Islington? I think I might need to order that birth certificate for Horace Jones as well as the marriage certificate.