Stacey family in Staffs ARC TBC?

[Cannockwolf]

Hi folks,

new member here currently researching my family tree (surname Stacey) and i've hit a brick wall with a couple of people so far and wondered if anyone could offer any tips on how to pin point the info I need to link them into my tree.

Joseph Stacey married elizabeth Yardley in 1759 Gnosall, Staffs - can't seem to find any birth or christening records for him despite extensive search.

Esther Stacey - b1848 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace after 1861 census where she is listed living with her grandmother also called Esther

James Stacey - b1849 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace other than christening record

John Selmon Stacey - b1850 High/Bishops Offley, Staffs - have record of him on various census married to Eliza but no record of birth, christening etc

I have tried different name spellings but am at a complete loss with these 4 names. Any help or advice offered would be much appreciated.

Regards
Nigel

[Jimmy]

Hi folks,

new member here currently researching my family tree (surname Stacey) and i've hit a brick wall with a couple of people so far and wondered if anyone could offer any tips on how to pin point the info I need to link them into my tree.

Joseph Stacey married elizabeth Yardley in 1759 Gnosall, Staffs - can't seem to find any birth or christening records for him despite extensive search.

Esther Stacey - b1848 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace after 1861 census where she is listed living with her grandmother also called Esther

James Stacey - b1849 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace other than christening record

John Selmon Stacey - b1850 High/Bishops Offley, Staffs - have record of him on various census married to Eliza but no record of birth, christening etc

I have tried different name spellings but am at a complete loss with these 4 names. Any help or advice offered would be much appreciated.

Regards
Nigel

Births Jun 1850.
Stacey Sellman. Newport S. 18. 128. Covers High Offley, Staffordshire.

[gardener]

Hi folks,

new member here currently researching my family tree (surname Stacey) and i've hit a brick wall with a couple of people so far and wondered if anyone could offer any tips on how to pin point the info I need to link them into my tree.

Joseph Stacey married elizabeth Yardley in 1759 Gnosall, Staffs - can't seem to find any birth or christening records for him despite extensive search.

Esther Stacey - b1848 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace after 1861 census where she is listed living with her grandmother also called Esther

James Stacey - b1849 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace other than christening record

John Selmon Stacey - b1850 High/Bishops Offley, Staffs - have record of him on various census married to Eliza but no record of birth, christening etc

I have tried different name spellings but am at a complete loss with these 4 names. Any help or advice offered would be much appreciated.

Regards
Nigel

Hi Nigel, welcome!

I think this is the same Esther in 1851

Offley Marsh
James Stacey head m 64 ag lab formerly brick layer
Esther ditto wife 54
Martha ditto dau 11 scholar
Esther ditto dau 3
(surname down as Facey)

I think Esther was a grandaughter and this is her baptism

parents: Esther Stacey

name: Esther Stacey
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 22 May 1848
baptism/christening place: Adbaston, Stafford, England
birthplace: Of Offley Marsh
mother's name: Esther Stacey

This mother is daughter to Esther and James.

[gardener]

1841 census
Adbaston
James Stacy 50
Esther Stacy 45
Rebecca Stacy 10
George Stacy 8
Catherine Stacy 6
Elizabeth Stacy 3
Martha Stacy 1

This family off the IGI
1. REBECCA STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 JUN 1830 Adbaston, Stafford, England
2. WILLIAM STACY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 OCT 1819 Adbaston, Stafford, England
3. ESTER STACY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 FEB 1826 Adbaston, Stafford, England
4. JAMES STACY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 JAN 1818 Adbaston, Stafford, England
5. JAMES STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAR 1822 Adbaston, Stafford, England
6. ELIZABETH STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1837 Adbaston, Stafford, England
7. MARTHA STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAR 1840 Adbaston, Stafford, England
8. MARY STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 JUN 1823 Adbaston, Stafford, England
9. JOHN STACY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAY 1828 Adbaston, Stafford, England
10. CATHERINE STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 APR 1835 Adbaston, Stafford, England
11. GEORGE STACEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 OCT 1832 Adbaston, Stafford, England

I think the Esther bpt 1826 was mother to your Esther?

[gardener]

And in 1841 young Esther was in the household of a farmer, along with her younger brother John.

Adbaston
James Wright 45 farmer
Catherine ditto 45 wife
(heaps of children)
Esther Stacey 13 FS
John ditto 10 MS

[gardener]

James seems to be one of Esther's too
(from IGI)
parents: Esther Stacey

name: James Stacey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Oct 1849
baptism/christening place: ADBASTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
mother's name: Esther Stacey

[gardener]

Sorry if I am developing a theme here...

I can't find early census to fit this guy

Births Jun 1850.
Stacey Sellman. Newport S. 18. 128. Covers High Offley, Staffordshire.

so I am wondering if this is him

1851
High Offley
James Hallman 25 ag lab
Mary Hallman 28
Selman Hallman 9 Mo

and this marriage

Marriages Sep 1850
Alman James Newport S 18 151
Stacey Mary Newport S 18 151

1861
High Offally
James Allman 33
Mary Allman 39
Selmon Allman 10
William Allman 8
Emma Allman 4
James Allman 1

[gardener]

For some reason the IGI has this marriage as in lincolnshire though the film number leads to the Staffordshire Adbaston records.

groom's name: James Almon
bride's name: Mary Stacey
marriage date: 15 Jul 1850
marriage place: Adbaston, Lincoln, England
groom's father's name: William Almon
bride's father's name: James Stacey

So, I think this Mary Stacey is the daughter of James and Esther.

(Added: though this does not fit with the registered marriage in Sep qtr 1850, does it?)

That just leaves

Joseph Stacey married elizabeth Yardley in 1759 Gnosall, Staffs - can't seem to find any birth or christening records for him despite extensive search.

to pin down...

[Jimmy]

Hi folks,

new member here currently researching my family tree (surname Stacey) and i've hit a brick wall with a couple of people so far and wondered if anyone could offer any tips on how to pin point the info I need to link them into my tree.

Joseph Stacey married elizabeth Yardley in 1759 Gnosall, Staffs - can't seem to find any birth or christening records for him despite extensive search.

Esther Stacey - b1848 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace after 1861 census where she is listed living with her grandmother also called Esther

James Stacey - b1849 Bishops Offley, Staffs - No trace other than christening record

John Selmon Stacey - b1850 High/Bishops Offley, Staffs - have record of him on various census married to Eliza but no record of birth, christening etc

I have tried different name spellings but am at a complete loss with these 4 names. Any help or advice offered would be much appreciated.

Regards
Nigel

Births Dec 1849.
STACEY James. Newport Sp. 18. 119.

Deaths Mar 1850.
STACEY James. Newport S. 18. 103.

[Cannockwolf]

Thanks Jimmy and Gardner for your help much appreciated.

Gardner - it seems then that Selmon was born a month prior to Mary Stacey's marriage to James Almon hence him being christened with the surname Stacey then it looks like James has adopted him to bear the Almon/Allman name however if this is correct then why is he listed as John Selmon Stacey on the 1901 Census and where has the 'John' prefix suddenly appeared from which he is known as on the 1891 census?

I already had the mothers details for Esther b1848 however can't seem to find any details of her after 1861 census although there is a death listed for Esther Stacey b1848 d1875 in Stone, Staffs so perhaps this is her but no record of her on the 1871 census as far as I can tell. I also have a land registry entry for an Esther Stacey in High Offley in 1873 owning 9 acres of land, not sure how she came by this as no other Stacey family member listed owning land prior to this date and her mother(Esther) is listed as a servant at High Offley Hall on census 1861 - 1901 so can't feasibly belong to her.

Esther b1848 did have a daughter Mary b1869 but it seems she died in 1870 so I would assume if she was the land owner registered in 1873 then once she had died in 1875 this would've passed to another family member or the state?

once again many thanks for your assistance

Regards
Nigel

[linell]

Nigel, John could have been a middle name or a nick name, there were no legal adoptions until 1927, but our ancestors did swap and change names at a drop of a hat, I have the same in my tree, where the mother moved in with a new man and the children's names all just changed on the Census, nothing is straight forward in the family research game, happy hunting from Linell.

[Cannockwolf]

Ok folks, thanks for the help received so far.

I have a few more that i'm stuck on if anyone could assist.

William Stacey b1801 Eccleshall
Ann Stacey nee Snape b abt1802
Sarah b1823 Bilston
Mry b1825
Jane b1827
Fanny b1830 m1846 Charles Chesterdean
Hannah b1832
Anne b2834 m1852 George Cooper
Martha b1836
Elizabeth b1836
Louisa b1840
William b1842

have found them on the 1841 census living in Bilston and then Ann and the 6/7 youngest children admitted to Stafford workhouse in 1845 but no trace after that.

Charlotte Elizabeth Stacey b1866 Great Wyrley, Staffs - Parents Samuel and Hannah, she is on census up until 1891 and she had a child called William in 1894 who was adopted by his grandparents but no trace of her later than that, I'm quite keen to find this one as she is of direct descent.

Once again any help would be much appreciated.

[CStacey]

Hi,
I have also been researching the same Stacey family, I am a descendant of a related branch of the same tree . Esther was born Esther Sellmon in 1795, d 1885 , so her maiden name was used as a middle name for her grandson, John Selmon Stacey. Possibly it is this Esther senior who had land in High Offley, inherited from her Sellmon relatives?

Catherine

[Cannockwolf]

Hi Catherine,

You could be right about the land belonging to Selmans so i'll try and research this more thoroughly and to which Esther it belonged as all three were alive at the time of the land registry record.

You're correct with John Selman Stacey just confusing as he was registered as Selman Stacey on the BMD index but not sure where the 'John' pre-fix came from altho i've found that nothing is straight forward in genealogy particularly with so many common christian names (and I thought researching Stacey would be easy as it's not that common).

I've found another family using Selman in the middle name which is strange as the mother is a step child to Esther:

Benjamin Selman Hubbard
Parents: Anne (Stacey) Hubbard b1815 married 1842 to Thomas Hubbard
Parents: James Stacey and Elizabeth Taylor.

Now this gets confusing as James and Esther married in 1814 and is James 2nd marriage but the parents on the christening record for Anne in 1815 is definitely James and Elizabeth unless she was born a couple of years earlier and the church have used her real mothers name for the christening record. do you have any info to back this up?

Regards
Nigel

[CStacey]

Nigel,

Just saw you response. I am not sure which Ann is the right one - there is one born 1816 in Offley Marsh to James and Elizabeth (Taylor?), and one born in Eccleshall in 1819 to John and Sarah (Jackson?). I missed the Selman middle name in Benjamin S Stacey so I will go back and look at this and see if it could make sense. Thanks for the hint.

Catherine