*TBC Archive in 24 hrs*My elusive family on census night

[Vikinghunter]

Hi Everybody,

This is my first post here so please be gentle with me! (apologies if this is the wrong "room").

My great-grandfather (Christian Moller) and his brother (Axel Moller) both emigrated to the UK from Denmark sometime in the mid 1880s. They settled down, got married and raised families in the UK and eventually died and got buried in the UK too. I have copies of their UK marriage and death certificates but not their (Danish) birth certificates yet.

I have searched through the UK 1891 census and have found Axel listed with his wife and kids PLUS one of Christian's daughters all together at an address in London.

I'm totally mystified as to why I cannot find any trace of Christian and his wife plus kids (minus one daughter) anywhere on this census.....

Where could they possibly have been on the census night in question? I believe it is illegal not to complete these forms for the enumerator on the night in question?

Any ideas folks?

Thanks in advance.

David

[mallosa]

Could this be them VH?

1891: 25 Arbuthnel Rd, Depthford, London
Christian Moller 33 Head Married Ship Busker? Agent b.Denmark
Sarah J Moller 32 Wife b.Rother? London
Sarah C Moller 6 Dau b.Peckham, London
Arthur C Moller 3 Son b.Peckham, London
Victor A Moller 1 Son b.Peckham, London

[Vikinghunter]

Thanks but, I've already seen that one and it's not them.

Christian would have been approx 37 then with:
Helen (39) wife
Mark (9) son
Clara 11 daughter
Edith 5 daughter
Nanna 13 daughter (this is the one listed at bro Axel's place on the night)

the plot thickens.........

unless he was a bigamist.....?

[peterd]

and here

1881 48 Compton Buildings London, Middlesex,

Christian MOLLER Head 26 Denmark Clock Maker
Helen MOLLER Wife 29 Dorset,
Nanna H. MOLLER Dau 3 Clerkenwell, Middlesex,
Clara R. MOLLER Dau 1 St Pancras, Middlesex,
Axel H. MOLLER Brother U 24 Denmark Traveller Grocer

[mallosa]

Do you have them in 1901?

1901: Upper St, Islington, London
Christian Moller 44 Head Clockmaker b.Denmark, British Subject
Helen Moller 47 Wife b.Millborne Port, Somerset
Nanna Moller 23 Dau b.Clerkenwell, London
Clara Moller 21 Dau S Watchmakers assistant b.Holloway, London
Mark Moller 18 Son S Watchmakers assistant b.Clerkenwell, London
Edith Moller 15 Dau Swivel Carder b.Newington, London

[peterd]

whats his fathers name on wedding cert for christian ? and who were the witnesses ?

came in to the country before 1876 if that him in the 1881 census

Marriages Dec 1876
Brown Helen Holborn 1b 1111
Moller Christian Holborn 1b 1111



dont forget census date could be out some times you got to take an average over a number of census or search from one age to the other

[dianel]

This looks like Christian and Axel in 1881, David?
1881 48 Compton Building, Clerkenwell, London
Christian Moller Head 26 Clock Maker b. Denmark
Helen Moller Wife 29 b. Dorsetshire
Nanna H. Moller Daur 3 b. Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Clara R. Moller Daur 1 b. St. Pancras
Axel H. Moller Brother 24 Traveller - Grocer b. Denmark

If this is them, they were already in England by 1881 and probably by 1878 as Nanna was born in Clerkenwell.

No wonder you couldn't find them in 1891!!! Here is how they are recorded:
1891 65 Warren St., St. Pancras
Christiana Miller Head 36 Clock Maker (Watch) b. Denmark, Copenhagen
Ellen Miller Wife 39 Somersetshire, Pinford
Mark Hans Miller Son 8 b. London, Clerkenwell
Clara L Miller Daur 11 b. London, Bloomsbury
Edith M Miller Daur 5 b. London, Kensington West

1901 294 Upper St., Islington
Christian Moller Head 44 Clock Maker (Watch) b. Denmark, British Subject
Helen Moller Wife 47 b. Somerset, Milborne Port
Nanna Moller Daur 23 b. London, Clerkenwell
Clara Moller Daur 21 Watch Maker's Assistant b. London, Holloway
Mark Moller Son 18 Watch Maker's Assistant b. London, Clerkenwell
Edith Moller Daur 15 Swivel Carder b. London, Newington

[mallosa]

Nice one Di

[peterd]

poss axel marriage

Marriages Jun 1889

Long Elizabeth Kensington 1a 325
Möller Axel Hother Kensington 1a 325
WARREN William Kensington 1a 325
Watson Isabella Kensington 1a 325

[dianel]

And Axel ...

1891 43 Rathborne Place, Marylebone
Axel Mollen Head 34 Steward of Club b. Copenhagen, Denmark
Bessie Mollen Wife 25 b. London
Thora Mollen Daur 1 b. London
Wanye (Nanna) Mollen Niece 13 b. London
Marie Anderson Servant 27 Cook B. Denmark, Rosted

Bessie possibly = Elizabeth Long?

[peterd]

try finding william warren with isabella that will prove its elizabeth long ?

[peterd]

poss axel son

Marriages Jun 1926
Evans Susie Moller Bury 8c 1149
Moller Axel Evans Bury 8c 1149

[dianel]

Axel in 1901:
At 143 Fort Rd., Bermondsey, London
Axel Moller Head 43 Cork Manufacturer Employer b. Denmark, Danish ent.
Bessie Moller Wife 35 b. London, Bermondsey
Thora Moller Daur 11 b. London, Bermondsey
Albert Moller Son 7 b. London, Bermondsey
Hugh Moller Son 3 b. London, Bermondsey
Bessie Moller Daur 2 b. London, Bermondsey
George Summers Boarder Widwr 50 Fancy Box Traveller b. Devonshire
Peter Mortensen Boarder 28 Cork Cutter b. Denmark, Danishent.
May Kenny Servant 16 General Sevant Domestic b. Ireland

[mallosa]

try finding william warren with isabella that will prove its elizabeth long ?

1901:Kensington Town
William Warren 32
Isabella Warren 31
Harry Warren 10
Edith Warren 7
Emily Warren 1
Fredk Warren 63

[dianel]

NAME: Isabella Warren
SPOUSE: William
BIRTH: abt 1851 - England
RESIDENCE:
1891 - London, St Martin in The Fields, London, England