Two Benjamin Bird

[mumbles]

I have just added this Benjamin Bird as part of Two Thomas Siviter Thread
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections
When I noticed this one on bcc as Benjaim Bird :-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

Ancestry trees show James Bird married Hannah Hodgetts 6/5/1836 St. Thomas
Hannah was previously married to James Whitehouse 16/9/1821 Kingswinford thus a Whitehouse daughter on 1841 Census
and then son Benjamin Bird marrying Martha Harley daughter of William Harley born 1801 and Sarah Unknown

[Northern Lass]

can we post the marriages pls for James Bird and hannah then hannahs other one

we need that st thomas one

but looks good son called James

1854 BIRD Benjamin HARLEY Martha Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/013/429

[dianel]

Have corrected typo on 'Benjaim" = "Benjamin" on census.

[mumbles]

This marriage ties up with Ann Whitehouse being related to Hannah Bird
WHITEHOUSEAnnALLDRIDGEDavidDudley, St ThomasDudley Register Office204/007/97 1846

1841. New Street, Rowley Regis
James Bird, 40, Nail M
Hannah, 37,
John, 18, Not born in County
James, 9,
Benjamin, 4,
Samuel, 2
Joseph, 3 weeks
Ann Whitehouse, 18, FS
All others born in County

1851. Blackheath Rowley Regis
James Bird, head, 51, Nailer
Hanah, wife, 48,
Benjamin, son, 14, Coal Miner
Samuel, son, 12, Coal Miner
Joseph, son, 9, nailer
All born Rowley

1861. Blackheath, Rowley Regis
James Bird, head, 61, Nailer
Hannah, wife, 58, nailer
Ann Alldridge, Lodger, W, 38, Nailer
George, son, 13, Nailer, Chalford? Gloucester
Hannah, daur, 11, nailer , Chalford? Gloucester

[mumbles]

From Ancestry there appears to be a mystery regarding Whitehouse or Bird

The information that I am giving came to me by letter from M. Caladine who has studied the Whitehouse families and the Bird families for some time.

1831 James was christened Bird
1850 James married his name was Whitehouse - Certificate of proof
Census - 1841 - 1851 Bird
Census - 1861 - 1891 Whitehouse
Census - 1901 Bird
1909 James died Whitehouse-Bird
James and Hannah's children used both names as well, all dying with the last name Bird or Whitehouse-Bird

[Northern Lass]

looks good for connection marriage sent to you mumbles
thanks RF

James is father on marriage

if you need any looked up just add to list

[mumbles]

The various Ancestry Trees are a mix up as some show James Bird marrying a Ann Whitehouse in 1821 and then Hannah Hodgetts in 1836
whilst others show Hannah Hodgetts marrying a Joseph Whitehouse in 1821 and then marrying James Bird in 1836

Link to Siviters is proved by Probate record
Benjamin Bird 89 High Street Blackheath Rowley Regis Staffs. Fruiter and Dealer died 30/6/1892 Probate Lichfield to Martha Siviter ( wife of Thomas Siviter ) effects £50

[mumbles]

Nl
In order to sort Bird Whitehouse puzzle it would be necessary to post a number of look ups some earlier than 1837 and without reference details
1) Hannah Hodgetts married to Joseph Whitehouse Kingswinford Staffs. 16/9/1821
2) Hannah Hodgetts married James Bird 6/5/1836 St. Thomas
3) BIRDJosephPEARSONMary ADudley, St EdmundDudley Register Office201/003/310 1859
4) BIRDSamuelSMITHEmmaRowley Regis, St GilesSandwell Register Office18/2/293 1855
5)WHITEHOUSEAnnALLDRIDGEDavidDudley, St ThomasDudley Register Office204/007/97 1846

I am not sure whether first two can be looked up
but if not latter 3 would help

[Northern Lass]

Nl
In order to sort Bird Whitehouse puzzle it would be necessary to post a number of look ups some earlier than 1837 and without reference details


1) Hannah Hodgetts married to Joseph Whitehouse Kingswinford Staffs. 16/9/1821
This is fine ..........Grangers do you have the transcripts pls?
add it for look up meanwhile mumbles you have church day month year that is enuff.

2) Hannah Hodgetts married James Bird 6/5/1836 St. Thomas
This is fine for a look up plenty of info day month church .........post for look up

3) BIRDJosephPEARSONMary ADudley, St EdmundDudley Register Office201/003/310 1859
yes no probs post look up

4) BIRDSamuelSMITHEmmaRowley Regis, St GilesSandwell Register Office18/2/293 1855
Yes post look up

5)WHITEHOUSEAnnALLDRIDGEDavidDudley, St ThomasDudley Register Office204/007/97 1846
Yes! post look up


I am not sure whether first two can be looked up
but if not latter 3 would help

Ok have put in red answer
nb early ones wont get fathers but wits may help

[mumbles]

Thanks NL all posted for look ups

[mumbles]

Complete now and thanks to RF for look ups have managed to sort Whitehouse/Bird puzzle and connect to Smith and Pearson families on bcc

[Northern Lass]

well done mumbles

and thanks Rf you are a star! xx