ARC TBC........................The Dudley Family - Lye

[Marie n Bill]

This post apertains to a post back in August regarding Obediah DUDLEY and have put this on for possible comment and hoping that those with the ability to update the BCC tree may wish to check the information and possibly update the tree.

Firstly we have seen, on the BCC tree, in respect to Joseph DUDLEY 1829-1878 and have assumed that the record of Joseph's marriage details to Emma CHAMBERS was taken from the marriage certificate. We believe that part of that was a lie, in particular the reference to his father being Joseph DUDLEY, will explain later.

We start the story with the baptism of Rebecca DUDLEY, 2 Oct 1804 at Oldbury the daughter of John & Elizabeth DUDLEY.
Then comes the baptism of Joseph DUDLEY, son of Rebecca (unmarried) 29 Mar 1829 Oldswinford.
On the 1841 census Joseph can be found living with his grandparents;

1841 Census
at Hay Green
JOHN Dudley - 65 - engineer - no
ELIZABETH Dudley - 60 - no
Benjamin Dudley - 20 - engineer - yes
Thomas Dudley - 20 - coalminer - yes
William Dudley - 15 - clayminer - yes
John Dudley - 14 - chainmaker - yes
JOSEPH Dudley - 12 - yes

In 1851 he is living with his uncle John who is only two years older than him and his widowed grandmother Elizabeth

1851 Census
at 60 Dudley Road
John Dudley - head - 24 - clayminer - Lye
Joseph Dudley - nephew - 22 - chainmaker - Lye
Elizabeth Dudley - mother - 67 - Lye

For his wedding to Emma Chambers, 24 Apr 1859, at Oldswinford we think that this is where he told a fib (possibly out of embarracement of not knowing who his father was). We have not found a Joseph senior and, in any case, he went through life with his mother's maiden name.

In the meantime, Rebecca Dudley had married William Rogers, 21 Feb 1830 at Oldswinford, seen on the following census;

1841 Census
at Shepherds Brook
William Rogers - 40 - nailer
REBECCA Rogers - 35
Sarah Rogers - 10
Elizabeth Rogers - 8
William Rogers - 4

1851 Census
at 14 Priest Lane
William Rodgers - head - 51 - nailer - Oldswinford
REBECCA Rodgers - wife - 48 - clayminer - Oldbury
Sarah Rodgers - daughter - 19 - nailer - Lye
Elizabeth Rodgers - daughter - 16 - nailer - Lye
William Rodgers - son - 13 - nailer - Lye
Hannah Rodgers - daughter - 8 - at home - Lye

1861 Census
at 17 Priest lane, Shepherds brook, Oldswinford
William Rogers - head - 64 - nailmaker - Oldswinford
REBECCA Rogers - wife - 55 - nailmaker - Oldswinford
Ann Rogers - daughter - 19 - nailmaker - Oldswinford

Our next message will be about Emma Chambers

[linell]

So Joseph Dudley 1829's father needs to be deleted from BCC according to your research

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

Ok we can look at this one

we can only go on what the marriage info says but some of them are so wrong

I will sticky this and have a look

[rockyfowler]

Firstly we have seen, on the BCC tree, in respect to Joseph DUDLEY 1829-1878 and have assumed that the record of Joseph's marriage details to Emma CHAMBERS was taken from the marriage certificate. We believe that part of that was a lie, in particular the reference to his father being Joseph DUDLEY, will explain later. This record was taken from Worcester Archives does that make a difference? Best RF

[Marie n Bill]

Well, yes. We are positive that Joseph Dudley was the son of Rebecca Dudley, unmarried and that he continued through life using his mother's surname Dudley. Obviously we can't be 100% sure that his father wasn't a Joseph but Rebecca did not disclose the father's name at his baptism and it was before birth certificates came in. He spent his early life in the households of relatives other than his mother's, still suggest that he gave the father's name on his marriage certificate as a convenience rather than a fact.

[Northern Lass]

Do you have the 1830 marriage for Rebecca pls

[Northern Lass]

Have you got the info from the actual Pr for this bapt pls

JOSEPH DUDLEY Christening: 29 MAR 1829 Old Swinford, Worcester,
Parents:
Mother: REBECCA DUDLEY Extracted

[Northern Lass]

Have you seen the actual bapt for rebecca it says Oldbury but this looks submitted on IGI

not sure which church

JOHN DUDLEY Christening: 15 APR 1827 Old Swinford, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: JOHN DUDLEY
Mother: ELIZABETH Extracted

[Marie n Bill]

Northern Lass - re yours Thursday
We have 21 Feb 1830 William ROGERS married Rebecca DUDLEY at Oldswinford
wit. William ROGERS & Sarah DUDLEY

[Marie n Bill]

Thought we had marriage certificate of Joseph Dudley & Emma Chambers but we havn't, our record must be church's.
Sent for it online yesterday from Dudley Registry. Will confirm when it arrivesand details.

[Marie n Bill]

re Northern lass question of Rebecca's baptism

we have 2 Oct 1804 at Oldbury to John & Elizabeth.

Her siblings Sarah Feb 1812, Joseph 1813 or 1814, Benjamin 15 jun 1817, Thomas 29 Oct 1820, William Jensen Dudley 6 Jun 1824 and John 15 Apr 1827 all at OLDSWINFORD and all from igi.

On the 1851 census, when she is Rebecca Rodgers living with her husband William and family in Oldswinford she states her birthplace as Oldbury.

On the 1841 census her parents John & Elizabeth Dudley are living at Hay Green, Oldswinford but against their birthplace county both say NO for Worcestershire whereas their children at that household are Yes including grandson Joseph

[Northern Lass]

Thought we had marriage certificate of Joseph Dudley & Emma Chambers but we havn't, our record must be church's.
Sent for it online yesterday from Dudley Registry. Will confirm when it arrivesand details.

the marriage is on Bcc if you scroll down Bill

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =184346331

[Northern Lass]

flagging to archive if anyone can add the other info re bapts for the dudleys pls do