I'm stuck already!

[Serena88]

Hi,
I am very new, so go easy on me if I ask stupid questions!
I have found my Great Grandfather's household on the 1881 census, and his mother is widowed, so it doesn't give me his fathers name.
I cannot find any of the 3 family members who would have been alive on the 1871 census to get the fathers name that way.
I also can't find a marriage record for them.
Help! How can I find the fathers name, and also the mothers maiden name?

[Jimmy]

Can you post the details and we will try to help you.

[Serena88]

OK, sure, thank you!
My Great Grandfather is Campion Thomas Wallace (born 1876) in Kent
According to my Grandmother he didn't like his name and apparently also used the name Henry Wallace.
I have found them on 1881 census with

Selina Wallace(born 1840 according to this census)
Louisa Wallace (born 1866)
Sarah wallace (born 1869)
Campion Wallace (born 1876)
Elizabeth Wallace (born 1881)

I can't find anything else on any of them to be honest, except Birth and Death records for Campion Wallace on FeeBMD

Thanks in advance for any help!

[Jimmy]

So you have this,

1881.
Selina WALLACE Head W Female 41 Deal, Kent, England Seamstress
Louisa WALLACE Daur Female 15 Hinckley, Leicester, England Scholar
Sarah WALLACE Daur Female 12 Hinckley, Leicester, England Scholar
Campion WALLACE Son Male 4 Deptford, Kent, England
Elizabeth WALLACE Daur Female 9 m Deptford, Kent, England

137 Industrial Dwellings.
Deptford St Paul, Kent.

[Jimmy]

This looks like Selina, Louisa and Sarah.

1871. Prory Row, Hinckley, Leicestershire.
Selina Hackett 31. Head. Widow. Seamstress. Deal, Kent.
Selina Hackett 8. Dau. Woolwich,
Thomas Hackett 7. Charlton, Kent.
Louisa M Hackett 5. Hinckley, Leicestershire.
Sarah E Hackett 2. Hinckley, Leicestershire.

[Jimmy]

It looks like you need the birth cert for,

Births Dec 1876.
WALLACE Ca* Thomas. Greenwich. 1d. 907. Campion on image.

[Serena88]

Thank you, yes that definitely looks like them.
That makes sense as my grandmother origionally told me that Campion had a sister called Selina, but when I saw the 1881 census I presumed she had remembered wrong, and that Selina was his mother's name.
So perhaps Campion and Elizabeth had a different father to Louisa and Sarah?
Or that Hackett is Selina's maiden name, there's so many possibilities.
It is so hard to find the correct record, but so rewarding when you do, I can see how this becomes addictive!

That's so much help already thank you!

[Maths girl]

It looks like you need the birth cert for,

Births Dec 1876.
WALLACE Ca* Thomas. Greenwich. 1d. 907. Campion on image.

Comparing the results with the birth certificate with one of the older sisters would help to confirm the mother as being the same one

egthis looks a possibility

HACKETT, Sarah Elizabeth
Registration District: Hinckley
County: Leicestershire
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 7A
Page No:51

[Serena88]

OK, so another stupid question, what's the easiest way to get birth certificates?
Yes, I really am that new to this!

[Jimmy]

This looks promising, names repeating.

1851. Coast Guard Yard, Winterton, Norfolk.
Thomas Sands 41. Coast guard boatman. London.
Selina Sands 34. Dulwich.
Thomas Sands 12. Son. St Nicholas, Kent.
Selina Sands 10. Dau. Deal, Kent.
Henry Sands 8. Son. Deal, Kent.
Sarah Sands 6. Dau. Deal, Kent.
Margaret Sands 4. Dau. Deal, Kent.
Louisa Sands 3 Dau. Deal, Kent.
Campion Sands 1. Son. Deal, Kent.

[gardener]

Good Jimmy!

Serena - try looking on freebmd for a marriage for Selina Sands in 1863. Looks interesting though it would make a curious pair for the other couple?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

[Jimmy]

Marriages Mar 1863.
BURRELL Frederick. Lewisham. 1d 833.
BURRELL Jane . Lewisham. 1d. 833.
HACKETT Joseph Wallace. Lewisham. 1d. 833.
SANDS Selina Emily. Lewisham. 1d. 833.

[gardener]

Argh! I am trying to let her find it herself!

[Jimmy]

Marriages Mar 1863.
BURRELL Frederick. Lewisham. 1d 833.
BURRELL Jane . Lewisham. 1d. 833.
HACKETT Joseph Wallace. Lewisham. 1d. 833.
SANDS Selina Emily. Lewisham. 1d. 833.

From,
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry) image available.


Selina Emily Sands. Spinster.
Age: 23.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840.
Spouse Name: Joseph Wallace Hackett. Bachelor. Labourer.
Spouse Age: 27.
Record Type: Marriage.
Event Date: 22 Jan 1863.
Parish: Plumstead St Margaret.
Borough: Greenwich.
Father Name: Thomas Sands. Coast Guard.
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Hackett. Labourer.
Register Type: Parish Register.

Witnesses, Thomas Sands. Sarah Sands.

[Jimmy]

Deaths Jun 1870.
Hackett Joseph. 35. Hinckley. 7a. 33.