ARC TBC - Thomas Garratt bapt 1803

[TWG1947]

Nothing can be found about this Benjamin Garratt anywhere, so is his name Garratt?

He had three convictions, on the first his name is given as Garratt, on the second his name is Guest with the Guest crossed out and Garratt hand written above, on the third Garratt. Can we assume he used the Garratt as an alias the first time and for the second he tried to use his own name to receive a lighter sentence, however he was now in the legal system as Garratt and future punishments were to take in account previous convictions. When he was transported to Tasmania as Garratt that"™s the way he would forever have been listed, it was too late to refer back to Guest.

No doubt his mother had him before she married Thomas Garratt and Garratt was the first name to come to mind when looking for an alias. There is a Sarah Guest having a Benjamin baptised 29 Oct 1826 at St Thomas"™s, Dudley, did she have to use her maiden name because he was born as a Guest and not a Garratt?

On the 1841 census we have a Benjamin Guest age 15, a chain makers apprentice, living with a Samuel Tromans at Dudley Wood. The right age, the right profession, and Bens second conviction, less than 3 years later, in 1844 was for stealing from a Samuel Tromans.

On his convict report he gives Thomas Garratt and his sons, Samuel and Thomas, as family, in fact they were the closest he"™d have to family members as his mother by then was dead, and his real father out of the picture or unknown.

The above facts, together with a lack of any other evidence, seem to be more than co-incidence, and point to him being Guest rather than Garratt.

[Northern Lass]

I think that sounds very likely
wondering if we add to Bcc with a note

[TWG1947]

Looks about it.

[Northern Lass]

BC Wench Pls can you move this to Black Country Genealogy
before you move it make it a sticky
and adjust subject title to say *NL* to add to BCC
then JO can you put the icon on for me pls when in BC

then I will add this when I get a min

TWG are we looking up that Burial?
if so I will add it to list

[TWG1947]

Yes will look up the death of Sarah and if there's a death for Rosannah Matilda Garratt.

And a thank you to Linell for finding that death, fills things out nicely.

[Northern Lass]

Yes will look up the death of Sarah and if there's a death for Rosannah Matilda Garratt.

And a thank you to Linell for finding that death, fills things out nicely.

Yes well spotted Linell
If you want me to add to our list that burial let me know
or if you want to nip into dudley archives
as not sure when someone will be going

I think that looks really good I will add Benjamin with a note

[linell]

I think that is your Sarah TWG after going through the Cradley Transcript, the only Baps are for Samuel and Phyllis's children and the children of Thomas and Sarah, no other Garratts listed. I would definitely take it as your Sarah, she would be the right age too. The transcript had no further information on her burial, but there maybe something in the original register. Linell.

[TWG1947]

Here's the 1841 census for Benjamin Guest.

Borough: Dudley
Parish: ditto
Place: Dudley Wood
Name: Sam.l Troman, age 50, Chain maker, b in c
Name: Phebe ditto , age 50, b in c
Name: Benjamin Guest, age 15, Chain m app, b in c
Name: Joseph Robinson, age 15, Chain m app, b in c

[Northern Lass]

From Benjamin's criminal records in Tasmania his family is listed as:

M (or W-illegible, wife or mother) Eliza

F (father) Thomas

B (brother) Samuel & Thom

This is a bit worrying though....mother Eliza or wife Eliza

[Northern Lass]

Nothing can be found about this Benjamin Garratt anywhere, so is his name Garratt?

He had three convictions, on the first his name is given as Garratt, on the second his name is Guest with the Guest crossed out and Garratt hand written above, on the third Garratt. Can we assume he used the Garratt as an alias the first time and for the second he tried to use his own name to receive a lighter sentence, however he was now in the legal system as Garratt and future punishments were to take in account previous convictions. When he was transported to Tasmania as Garratt that"™s the way he would forever have been listed, it was too late to refer back to Guest.

No doubt his mother had him before she married Thomas Garratt and Garratt was the first name to come to mind when looking for an alias. There is a Sarah Guest having a Benjamin baptised 29 Oct 1826 at St Thomas"™s, Dudley, did she have to use her maiden name because he was born as a Guest and not a Garratt?

On the 1841 census we have a Benjamin Guest age 15, a chain makers apprentice, living with a Samuel Tromans at Dudley Wood. The right age, the right profession, and Bens second conviction, less than 3 years later, in 1844 was for stealing from a Samuel Tromans.

On his convict report he gives Thomas Garratt and his sons, Samuel and Thomas, as family, in fact they were the closest he"™d have to family members as his mother by then was dead, and his real father out of the picture or unknown.

The above facts, together with a lack of any other evidence, seem to be more than co-incidence, and point to him being Guest rather than Garratt.

Do you have the PR look up for that bapt for Benjamin?
might be worth putting that for a look up unless you are going to dudley
see if any more info sometimes there is

[TWG1947]

No there's nothing on the PR.

Re Eliza on Tasmanian record, there's a marriage for Thomas Garratt:-

Elizabeth Hadlington, 18 Mar 1838, St Thomas, Dudley.

Will look this up next week.

[Northern Lass]

No there's nothing on the PR.

Re Eliza on Tasmanian record, there's a marriage for Thomas Garratt:-

Elizabeth Hadlington, 18 Mar 1838, St Thomas, Dudley.

Will look this up next week.

That marriage isnt the correct one
father is Shalias for Thomas I am putting a new thread on .....for him
so not that one..........

So have you looked at the actual PR? it doesnt say illeg or her abode ?

I haven't added Benjamin in yet only that poss burial
If that is our Benjamin in Tasmania mother should be Sarah

where would that marriage be in 1869
are the records viewable in Australia

Mark do you have any more on that Marriage in 1869 for Benjamin?

[TWG1947]

Only says 'Son of Sarah Guest'

Benjamin Garratt married Hannah Maria Morris on 25.1.1869 at Westbury
Catholic Church, Reg/ No. 639"

[Northern Lass]

Only says 'Son of Sarah Guest'

Benjamin Garratt married Hannah Maria Morris on 25.1.1869 at Westbury
Catholic Church, Reg/ No. 639"

I just wondered if there was anyway on any of the sites that it would have the full
marriage info with father for benjamin on

[TWG1947]

It's my understanding that at that time in Tasmania, mother and father etc were not included in the register.