who is Eliza Shakeshaft?

[expat66]

Bit stuck on this one..

I have this family..

In 1851
Gosford Street, Coventry St Michael, Warwickshire, England
Joseph STANLEY(42) hand loom weaver silk b. Coventry, wife Eliza(42) hand loom weaver b. City Rd London, children all b. Coventry.. Henry(16) draughtsman's ??, Edwin(10), Thomas(12), Emma(7)

1861
1 ?? Row, Coventry Holy Trinity, Warwickshire, England
Joseph STANLEY(57) weaver born Coventry, wife Eliza(57) weaver b. London?, son Thos (23) ?? turner born Coventry, dau. Emma(18) silk winder born Coventry

1871
7 Lower Osborne Street, Horton, Yorkshire, England
Joseph STANLEY(63) wool worker born Coventry, wife Eliza(63) born London, Middlesex..... Their son Edwin STANLEY & his wife Phebe live next door

1881
36 Portland Street, Horton In Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Joseph STANLEY(72) silk weaver born Coventry, wife Eliza (72) born Coventry, lodger Betty BAGSHAW(81) widow born Bradford

On 1891 census Joseph is a widower

So who is the wife Eliza? ( assuming that last census has her place of birth wrong ... i think she was born in London)
but all their children on the censuses are born in Coventry... from 1834 onwards

Can't find an 1841 census for them.... don't know whether anyone else can see them?

Only marriage I could come up with (from familysearch) for Joseph Stanley & an Eliza... was 8 Feb 1834, St. John's Coventry... to Eliza COSBY

But several trees on ancestry have her as Eliza SHAKESHAFT?

Where they got this from I don't know ..... so I am a bit stuck for now
I realise I will probably have to send off for kids birth certificates to solve this one

Can anyone cast some light on this puzzle?
Any help greatly appreciated!
Thankyou
Expat

[MarkCDodd]

It was her second marraige.

First marriage.

Groom's Name: John Cosby
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Eliza Shakeshaft
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 10 Dec 1827
Marriage Place: Kenilworth,Warwick,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04229-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 555350
Reference Number:

[MarkCDodd]

Looks like they had a child. Causby is used quite often in this parish register.

Name: John Causby
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Apr 1828
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Causby
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02141-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 549659
Reference Number:

This is not the burial of the child. I would say this is the father, Eliza's first husband. According to the National Burial Index, this John was 19 years old.

Name: John Causby
Event: Burial
Event Date: 07 Apr 1828
Event Place: St Michael, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Gender:
Age:
Marital Status:
Father:
Mother:
Spouse:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 555344
Digital Folder Number: 4290920
Image Number: 00184

This is probably the child.

Name: John Cosby
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 20 Sep 1831
Burial Place: St. Michael Parish, Coventry, Warwick, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age: 1
Birth Date: 1830
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01646-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 502204
Reference Number: 1831, p 164, cn 1311

The IGI entry should say Widowed if her 1st huband died....but it doesn't.

Groom's Name: Joseph Stanley
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Eliza Cosby
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 08 Feb 1834
Marriage Place: St. John, Coventry, Warwick, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01274-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 502208
Reference Number: Pg # 283 -850

[expat66]

Thankyou for all that info. Mark
You are clever working that one out
It never occurred to me that it might be a second marriage

Now I am trying to work out who her parents were and getting stuck again

Although there are SHAKESHAFTs in the Coventry area, she has her birthplace listed as London ( City Road on the 1851 census). Maybe she had moved to Coventry because there was extended family there? ... or were her parents from Coventry and just happened to be living in London at the time of her birth?

looking at the map there is a City Road in Islington
and I found this Christening/baptism record on familysearch...

Name: Elizabeth Schackshaf
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Aug 1808
Baptism/Christening Place: UPPER STREET INDEPENDENT,ISLINGTON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 08 Jul 1808
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Wm. Schackshaf
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C09723-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 825319
Reference Number:

I am a bit puzzled by that spelling though?

I also found a burial record for a William SHAKESHAFT on 'Ancestry'

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
about William Shakeshaft Name: William Shakeshaft
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1848
Burial Date: 14 Apr 1848
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
County: Middlesex

So that is in Islington too.... and he would have been of the right child to have a daughter in 1808.
Can't find him on the 1841 census though

That is as far as I have got so far and I don't know whether I am on the right track or not.
Any help to get me a bit further forward with this would be great
Thankyou
Expat

[expat66]

Just came across this..... I think Shoreditch is still the right area isn't it?

This one is Shakeshave ?

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for William Hould Shakeshave

No image available Search collectionAbout this collectionName: William Hould Shakeshave
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Aug 1779
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1779
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Shakeshave
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04081-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 396230
Reference Number:
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Expat

[expat66]

Further confusion
I had a look on familysearch and found other children for Eliza SHAKESHAFT & Jospeh STANLEY

This one ...18.Feb 1836....HOLY TRINITY,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND.... Eliza STANLEY .. daughter of Joseph STANLEY & Eliza

In 1851 she is lodging with some SHAKESHAFTS in Coventry

...Harnell Place, Coventry Holy Trinity, Warwickshire, England
Charles SHAKESHAFT(43)b.London,
wife Roda(41) b.Warwks,
sons Charles(22) & William(20)b. Coventry
family all ribbon weavers,
Thomas(12), Harriet(10), Walter(10mths),
Eliza STANLEY(15) lodger..fuller.. all born Coventry.

I am wondering whether Eliza STANLEY is the niece of Charles? .... could her mother Eliza SHAKESHAFT & this charles be brother & sister... they are both b. London?

Only problem is I started looking for parents of Charles & found possible Charles & Martha as parents

1806 22 Jun..Baptism
St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex, England ...... parents are Charles & Martha SHAKESHAFT

Now very confused
Will come back to this later
Expat

[MarkCDodd]

This is the WIlliam who kicks the bucket in Islington.

Looks like his wife is Elizabeth, not Ann.

1841 census transcription details for: Green Man's Lane, St Mary Islington, Finsbury
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 664 Book/Folio: 7/30 Page: 15

Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Islington, East
Parish: St Mary Islington Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Finsbury
Address: Green Man's Lane, St Mary Islington, Finsbury
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BENNETT, William M 60 1781
BENNETT, Sarah F 50 1791 Middlesex
MORGAN, Thomas M 45 1796
MORGAN, Sarah F 30 1811 Middlesex
MORGAN, Jane F 1 1840 Middlesex
SHAKESHAFT, William M 60 1781 Middlesex
SHAKESHAFT, Elizth F 60 1781 Middlesex

[MarkCDodd]

Looking at the Parish Register, the Elizabeth Schackshaf baptised 7th August 1808 was born 8th July 1808 in Clerkenwell. City Road goes through Clerkenwell.

The spelling is Shackshaf but that might just be the clerks inteprettion of whatever accent William and Ann have.

I have searched all records on World Vital Records, ANcestry, Find My Past and The Genealogist and that is the only reference I can find to the surname Schackshaf.

[MarkCDodd]

I would bet thisis a sibling of Elizabeth. This hospital is less than two miles from Clerkenwell.

Piece Description Register of Births and Baptisms in the British Lying-In Hospital in Endell Street, St Giles in the Fields, Holborn, Middlesex from 1788 to 1814
TNA Reference RG8 / Piece 64 / Folio
[Chapel/Registry]
Full Name Ann Shakeshaft
Date of Baptism 4 July 1799
Place of Baptism
Date of Birth 25 June 1799
Place of Abode
Parish of Abode
County of Abode
Registration Date
Registration Town/County Holborn, Middlesex
Ceremony Performed by
Godparents
Godfather
Godmother
Parents
Father William Shakeshaft
Father's Profession
Mother Ann Shakeshaft
Mother's Maiden Name
Mother's Parish
Date of Marriage
Place of Marriage
Maternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession
Town & County
Paternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession
Pedigree Chart

[expat66]

Thanks for your help Mark,
I am still working through this at the moment.
I am digging through those Warwickshire Parish records now they have them on Ancestry.

I did find the marriage for Joseph Stanley & Eliza Cosby and although it does say spinster... the word widow is also there but very faint, almost as though it had been rubbed out? .. so I think your guess was right!

Still a bit confused over the Shakeshafts ... maybe that Charles Shakeshaft married to Roda is a cousin to Eliza?
Need to do some more digging I think

Thanks again
Expat