"completed" - Joseph Henry GREAVES born 1863 Wolverhampton

[expat66]

I am not having much success finding what happened to this chap after 1881

I have his birth certficate .....11 May 1863 ....Franchise Street, Wolverhampton...
birth of Joseph Henry Greaves... son of James Greaves ( tin plate worker...journeyman) and Ann Maria Greaves ( formerly Hipkiss)

1871 census
51 Pope St, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Joseph HIPKISS(49) is a toolmaker born in B'ham,
wife Frances(52)born Harborne
and grandson Joseph H GREAVES (7)born Wolverhampton.. ( I believe this is son of James and Ann Maria GREAVES as these match with Ann Maria's parents)

and I think this is him in 1881.....Joseph is a boarder at a house in Warstone Lane... living 2 doors away from his mother Ann Maria and her new husband William Peters
1881 census
7 7 Court Warstone Lane, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Albert COSTIN(22) jeweler,
wife Hester(21)
and son Henry W (1)
... Joseph H GREAVES (17) boarder..tin plate stamper..

I still have been unable to get to the bottom of what happened to his father James ( who apparently died or disappeared somewhere around 1878) and now I am stuck on Joseph.

Can anyone help
Many Thanks
Expat

[Northern Lass]

moved to Bc section

[MarkCDodd]

He married Elizabeth Shelley in 1884.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: GREAVES, Joseph Henry
Registration District: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 545
MarriageFinder: Joseph Henry Greaves married one of the following people
BUSHILL, Mary Jane
SHELLEY, Elizabeth
COOMBES, Sidney Cyrill

1891 census transcription details for: 1 Back 97, Warstone Lane, Birmingham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2367 Folio: 83 Page: 30

Reg. District: Birmingham Sub District: Lady Wood
Parish: Birmingham Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls City/Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 1 Back 97, Warstone Lane, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GREAVES, Joseph Henry Head Married M 27 1864 Tin Plate Stamper Wolverhampton Staffordshire
GREAVES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 27 1864 Birmingham Warwickshire
GREAVES, Flora E Daughter Single F 5 1886 Birmingham Warwickshire
GREAVES, Bertha Daughter Single F 4 1887 Birmingham Warwickshire
GREAVES, Ernest Son Single M 0 (4M) 1891 Birmingham Warwickshire
PETERS, Mary Boarder Single F 23 1868 Watch Key Maker Birmingham Warwickshire

[MarkCDodd]

1911 census transcription details for: 7 South Terrace South Road Sparkbrook Birmingham
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN18219 RG78PN1100 RD385 SD2 ED30 SN364

Reg. District: Aston Sub District: Bordesley
Parish: Aston Enum. District: 30
Address: 7 South Terrace South Road Sparkbrook Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
GREAVES, Joseph Henry Head Married
29 years M 52 1859 Iron Moulder Aston Birmingham
GREAVES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 51 1860 Stourbridge
GREAVES, Florence J E Daughter Single F 25 1886 Jeweller Birmingham

[expat66]

Thankyou so much Mark!
How exciting.... a whole load more relatives to research!

That 1891 census you found has to be right ... address makes sense and the Mary Peters in the household would be his step sister

I'm not sure about the 1911 census that you found though?
This gets a bit confusing ( and I am already confused )... but it looks as though there is another household where the parents are Joseph and Elizabeth Greaves...

Found this one in 1891 in Leicester .... I think this may be the same family as in that 1911 census ( ages seem to match a bit better?)
Joseph H Greaves Head Male 32 abt 1859..iron caster.. Birmingham Warwickshire England
Elizabeth Greaves Wife Female 31 abt 1860 Stourbridge
Elsie E Greaves Daughter Female 7 abt 1884 Birmingham Warwickshire England
Florence E Greaves Daughter Female 5 abt 1886 Birmingham Warwickshire

I am wondering whether my Joseph and family headed up north?
I found this family in Halifax in 1901
1901 census Halifax ( can't make out the street name?)

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Joseph Greaves Head 37 abt 1864 Male .. iron caster..Birmingham Warwickshire England
Elizabeth Greaves Wife 37 abt 1864 Female Birmingham Warwickshire England
Florie Greaves Daughter 15 abt 1886 Female Birmingham Warwickshire England
Bertha Greaves Daughter 14 abt 1887 Female Birmingham Warwickshire England
Ernest Greaves Son 10 abt 1891 Male Birmingham Warwickshire England
Joseph Greaves Son 6 abt 1895 Male Birmingham Warwickshire England
Dorris Greaves Daughter 3 abt 1898 Female Birmingham Warwickshire England
Samuel Moseley Boarder 35 abt 1866 Male Birmingham Warwickshire England

Bit confused by that place of birth for Joseph ... but wife's name and first 3 kids seem to tie up
or am I looking at that other family again?

Could do with finding the 1911 census for that lot in Halifax, I supppose

Oh dear... am getting mixed up
Need to go through this again
Expat

[expat66]

I will post the 1911 census for lookup in the census lookup section...
Expat

[expat66]

Just spoke to my Mum and when I mentioned Halifax that jolted her memory.... she reckons that my Nan used to get letters from an 'Aunt' Dorris in Halifax ( a lady who is supposed to have lived to a very great age apparently)
... so I am optimistic that this Halifax lot are the right ones.... just need to see if they are still there in 1911...
Expat

[expat66]

OK... they are the Halifax lot.... just found them in 1911 in Stannery St. Halifax
The Birmingham ones are interesting though.... must be related somewhere along the line?
Expat

[expat66]

OK to archive now thankyou
Expat