*Archive?* John and Emma Ray--Jo adding to BCC

18chestnut · Post by **18chestnut** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:53 pm

Hello there ,am hoping you can help me with my ancestors John and Emma Ray,

I have a marriage certificate for John Ray age 38, widower of Bilston,miner,Father William Ray ,locksmith.
and Emma Skelden(?Skelding) age 25,of Bilston Father LEvi Skelden,Miner.
They were married at St. Pauls Church, Wolverhampton,30th.October 1865.
Witnesses--George Bullock and Mary Ann Sharp.
I haven"t added this to BCC yet.
I need to find who John was married to first .

On the 1871 census the family were living in Tividale rd. Rowley Regis.,with children George born abt.1858 in Cradley ,and John born abt.1860 in Netherton,there is also a daughter Sarah born abt 1859 in New Village Bilston,but not on the 1871 census.Were these children from John"s first marriage.
On the 1881 census there is a daughter (?of John and Emma)called Agnes born abt.1866 in Netherton Dudley whose birth certificate I would like to find.
John Ray was born in Tong, Shropshire, and Emma was born in Holly Hall, Dudley.They both died in Cradley Heath.
I am hoping someone can help me with this brickwall.
Thank you
.Pat

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:59 am

Where is he in 1861 can we find him on census
with George and John

1871. Liverdale Rd, Rowley Regis.
John Ray 44. Coal miner. Tonge, Shropshire.
Emma Ray 30. Holly Hall, Worcs.
George Ray 13. Son. Cradley.
John Ray 11. Son. Netherton?, Worcestershire.
Agnes Ray 6. Dudley.
Mary Jane Ray 3. Kingbrosnford.?
Joseph Ray 8 Months. Kingbrosnford.?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =850099901

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:18 pm

next door to John Ray in 1871 is
1871. Lividale Road, Rowley Regis
Thomas Ray, head, W, 42, Miner, Tonge
Noah, son, 8, Headley? Worcs ? Netherton crossed out
Enoch, son. 6, Headley? Worcs ? Netherton crossed out

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:12 pm

Can anyone see John with father William Ray?

One I had seen Williams occupation as Jobbery Smith? Anyone know what that is?
Jo

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:05 pm

1851. Redhal Hill, Rowley Regis
John Ray, head, 25, miner, Tongnorton
Elizabeth, wife, 24, Wolverhampton
William, son, 4, Bilston
Betsey, daur, 11 months, Rowley regis

Transcribed as Kay hard to tell if K or R
1861. John Street, 1 Court House 2, Bilston
John Ray, head, 35, Stone Miner, Tong
Elizabeth, wife, 34, Wolverhampton
William, son, 14, stone miner, Bilston
Betsy, daur, 11, Rowley
Sarah, daur, 5, Bilston
George, son, 3, Cradley
John, son, 1, Netherton (Children on census with Emma?)
??
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
RAY John WATKISS Elizabeth Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/4/134

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:19 pm

Just looking his age is all over the place

18chestnut · Post by **18chestnut** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:44 pm

Thank you Jo ,the 1861 census with John and his family at John St.Bilston certainly looks as if it could be correct one.
I will now look for the last 3 childrens birth certificates,Sarah,George and John.
I agree his age is all over the place,but then he was probably illiterate.
John"s brother Thomas Ray followed him to Cradley Heath.
On the 1881 census Thomas is living inCorngreaves road,Cradley Heath with his 2 sons ,Noah and Enoch.
Thank you again Jo for all you help.
18chestnut
Pat

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:58 pm

Its ok Pat

Ive been trying to find out what a Jobbery Smith is, I think it should read Jobbing Smith but not certain if that would include a Lock Smith as Williams occupation states on the marriage record. I just have a feeling it could be...

I'll look for that census again
Jo

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:08 pm

Oh it does look like Jobbing Smith! lol

1841. Birmingham Street, Willenhall
William Ray, 40, Jobbing Smith
John, 20, Jobbing Smith
William, 20, Jobbing Smith
Martha, 15,
Thomas, 15,
James, 14,
Emma, 8,
Harriet, 3,
All born in County

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:15 pm

?? youngest Harriet? I havent seen William in 1851 yet?

1851. Birmingham Street, Willenhall
John Ray, U, 32, Jobbing Smith, Willenhall
Harriot, neice, 13, Willenhall
William Roberts , visitor, 26, Carpenter, Tetenhall

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:26 pm

I wonder if Harriet with Uncle John on 1851 is John on 1841 census?

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:21 pm

Are you ok to add this Pat?
If not say and I will add for you. Shame to waste the info for BCC.
Jo

18chestnut · Post by **18chestnut** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:20 pm

Jo ,I have sent for a marriage cert for John and Elizabeth ,also a birth cert for their daughter Betsy,but you can add the rest of the family to BCC for me please.I am going to the archives tomorrow to see what else I can find .
Pat

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Ok I will add just now.
Jo

grangers14 · Post by **grangers14** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:17 pm

Ive added the census and children.

I havent added the 1841 census not sure if it is them or not.
Archive pending look ups?
Jo

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