ARCHIVE...............James Careless - Some ideas Please?

[grangers14]

Can someone look over this with me please. This is what we have on BCC. (theres more census)
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ess-Family

1851 census, Harts Hill, Kingswinford
John Careless, head, mar, 27, Engine worker, Salop Cleobury
Sarah Careless, wife, mar, 25, Herefordshire, Leominster
Sarah A Careless, dau, 4, Staffordshire Kingswinford
Thomas Careless, son, 1, Staffordshire Kingswinford
James Careless, brother, 21, Engine Worker, Salop Cleobury
Emma Careless, sister in law, 20, Warwick
James Careless, nephew, 1, Staffordshire Kingswinford

1861 census, Tansy Green, Kingswinford
James (very feint) James Carless. Head, mar, 33, Engineer Iron Works, Worcester Cleobury
Emma Carless, wife, 27?, Warwick
James Carless, son, 11, Works at forge, Stafford Kingswinford
William H Carless, son, 9, Stafford Kingswinford
Isaiah Carless, son, 6, Stafford Kingswinford
John Carless, son, 4, Stafford Kingswinford
David Carless, son, 1, Stafford Kingswinford

Problem now is James marriage. It is this.
21 October 1849 St Michael, Brierley Hill
James Careless, OFA, B, Miner, Brierley Hill, William Smith, Occ: ------
Emma Oliver, Minor, S, Brierley Hill, William Oliver, Occ: ------
Wit: Job Grainger, Sarah Careless
(James"™ father is definitely William Smith)

I have found a few births with no father named Mother Margaret.
Also have found a marriage

William Smith
bride's name: Margaret Carless
marriage date: 24 Apr 1837
marriage place: Cleobury Mortimer,Shropshire

Theres also a possible marriage for his brother John, no fathers name showing on that.
John Careless
groom's birthplace: Brierley Hill
bride's name: Sarah Powell
bride's birthplace: Of Bromley
marriage date: 25 Jul 1842
marriage place: Kingswinford, Stafford, England
bride's father's name: George Powell


Any thoughts or ideas anyone?
Jo

[Northern Lass]

I think we alter father to unknown for now
I will do that

Marriage 1832 John and James born before

[Northern Lass]

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =327414264

any bapts for James and John?

[Northern Lass]

JAMES CARLESS Christening: 24 JUN 1832 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
Parents:
Father: BENJAMIN CARLESS
Mother: JANE Extracted birth

[grangers14]

James Careless
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Sep 1828
baptism/christening place: Cleobury-Mortimer, Shropshire, England
mother's name: Margaret Careless

Mary Careless
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 08 Sep 1828
baptism/christening place: Cleobury-Mortimer, Shropshire, England
mother's name: Margaret Careless

Sarah Careless
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Jun 1826
baptism/christening place: Cleobury-Mortimer, Shropshire, England
mother's name: Margaret Careless
(Is this Sarah as witness to marriage?)

John Careless
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 16 Jun 1822
baptism/christening place: Cleobury-Mortimer, Shropshire, England
mother's name: Margaret Careless


Margaret Careless
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 13 Aug 1820
baptism/christening place: Cleobury-Mortimer, Shropshire, England
mother's name: Margaret Careless

Father on Marriage is William Smith
?Possible marriage?

William Smith
bride's name: Margaret Carless
marriage date: 24 Apr 1837
marriage place: Cleobury Mortimer,Shropshire

[grangers14]

More proof not the right one?
1851. Lower Street, Cleobury Mortimer
Benjamin Carless, head, 46, Mason, Hopton?
Jane, wife, 44,
James, son, 18, Mason
William, son, 10,
Esther, daur, 6
All others born Cleobury

[grangers14]

? James with father Benjamin mother Jane?
1861. Back Lane, Cleobury Mortimer
James Careless, head, 28, labourer
Sarah, wife, 28, Coseley
Jane, daur, 2
All others born Cleobury Mortimer

?? Possible Marriage?
Free bmd

Marriages Dec 1858
Breakwell Sarah Cleobury M 6a 1141
Careless James Cleobury M 6a 1141
careless jane Cleobury Mortimer 6a 1141
Langford Ellen Cleobury M 6a 1141

[Northern Lass]

Excellent work Jo

I have added here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =294294205

see if that looks ok
add what else you need

the other James is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

[grangers14]

I think James father needs to be put as unknown. A note added he puts William Smith as father?

I havent been able to see them for sure in 1841. Some possible siblings?
Johns marriage may help too?
Jo

[kdp]

Glad theres people on here who know what they're doing...

Thank you xx

[Northern Lass]

I think James father needs to be put as unknown. A note added he puts William Smith as father?

I havent been able to see them for sure in 1841. Some possible siblings?
Johns marriage may help too?
Jo

I agree can you change JO pls I added them with father Wm but you are correct
needs unknown

[Northern Lass]

can we archive this now
has it been amended?

[grangers14]

Yep its done.
Jo

[Northern Lass]

Yep its done.
Jo

Thanks jo