ARC TBC - John Payne -Butcher -father & son?

[Maths girl]

On BCC there is this John Payne Butcher

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... yne-Family

1841 Redhalhill, Rowley Regis
PAYNE, John M 60 1781 Staffordshire Butcher
PAYNE, Hannah F 60 1781 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Sarah F 15 1826 Staffordshire
PAYNE, Joseph M 15 1826 Staffordshire

Sarah is noted as a child on BCC and two further children
Mary Ann 1818
George 1821

Is there a reason Joseph has not been added as a child or just an error?

I have Sarah in my tree and during research have come across this John Payne Butcher --

1841 Garratt's Lane, Rowley Regis
PANE, John M 33 1808 Butcher
PANE, Elizabeth F 36 1805
PANE, James M 12 1829
PANE, Sarah F 8 1833 Staffordshire
PANE, Mary F 4 1837 Staffordshire
PANE, Eliza F 2 1839 Staffordshire

Originally I thought that John 1808 was her father and she was living with Grandparents but am now wondering whether John 1808 is another son of John 1781 and therefore brother to twins Sarah and Joseph (1826)-- family occupation having been handed down --

Can anyone find any parish records to prove/disprove a relationship here?

[Northern Lass]

Joseph not added as I dont add them from 1841 unless proved to be son
as 1841 no relationships

so need a bapt

[Jimmy]

This is the only christening I can see,
Joseph Payn.
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Apr 1824.
Baptism/Christening Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford.
Birthplace: Turners Hill.
Father's Name: Joseph Payn.
Mother's Name: Hannah Payn.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04349-6.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 350577.
Reference Number: 1252.

A possible, the only with the same occupation as the one with John and Hannah on the 1841.
1851. Perrys Lake, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Payne 28. Nail forger.
Matilda Payne 30.
John Payne 5. Son.
Eliza Payne 4. Dau.

All born Rowley, Staffordshire.


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1845.
PAYNE Joseph. SIVITER Matilda. West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/3/100.

[Northern Lass]

The one for that Joseph is this

Joseph s of Joseph and Hannah Payn Turners hill nailer
4 april 1824 st giles rowley regis

[Northern Lass]

I cant find any PR's

that marriage for JOhn and Elizabeth might help but dont think
it is at dudley archives

moving this to Brick walls

[BC Wench]

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