ARC TBC - Bickford

[djunna]

Hello

My Gt Grandmother was a Ellen Adelaid Rogers, who married a John Bickford in Wolverhampton in 1905. They had 4 children up to 1917 then John died in 1921. My grandmother was born in 1923, No fathers name on her birth cert, but on her Marriage Cert, Her father is down as Frederick Pickford - Deceased - Steel worker. I have taken this as a mis transcribe.

Just hoping to find out anymore about the elusive Fred if i can.

Thanks Darren

[Northern Lass]

Can you post the marriage info pls
who are the wits

do you have this family on the 1911 too

[Maths girl]

1911 33 Sutherland Place Wolverhampton
BICKFORD SENR, John Head Widower M 62 1849 Tin Plate Worker Staffordshire Wolverhampton
BICKFORD JUNR, John Son Married M 30 1881 Iron Workers Labourer Staffordshire Wolverhampton
BICKFORD, Helen Daughter In Law Married 6 years F 26 1885 Staffordshire Wolverhampton 3 children born and 2 living
LEWIS, Charles Grandson Single M 18 1893 Stamper Staffordshire Wolverhampton
BICKFORD, John William Grandson M 5 1906 Staffordshire Wolverhampton
BICKFORD, Nellie Louisa Granddaughter F 4 1907 Staffordshire Wolverhampton
PRICE, George Ard M 11 1900 School Staffordshire Wolverhampton (This says WARD on the original)

[Northern Lass]

Births Dec 1885
Rogers Ellen Adelaide Wolverhampton 6b 634

can you post the birth certif info you have pls

[kdw]

Poss
1891 Pump Street 3 Back House Bilston
Samuel Rogers Head M 30 Boiler Stoker Born Bilston
Sarah Rogers Wife 28 Born Bilston
William Rogers Son 7 Scholar Born Bilston
Ellen A Rogers Daur 5 Scholar Born Bilston
Emily Rogers Daur 3 Born Wolverhampton
Mary Rogers Daur 1 Born Wolverhampton

1901 11 Middle Cross Street Wolverhampton
Samuel Rogers Senr Head M 41 General Labourer Born Bilston
Sarah Rogers Wife M 39 Born Bilston
William Rogers Son S 17 General Labourer Born Bilston
Ellen Rogers Daur S 15 Born Bilston
Mary Rogers Daur S 12 Born Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Rogers Daur S 9 Born Bilston
Howard Rogers Son 5 Born Bilston
Samuel Rogers Jnr 3 Born Bilston


Marriage
Sarah Mason Apr-May-Jun 1882 Wolverhampton Staffordshire 6b 709
Samuel Rogers Apr-May-Jun 1882 Wolverhampton Staffordshire 6b 709


Ellen A Bickford
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 603

[Northern Lass]

Is that marriage in 1882 correct?

as Ellen would have been born within marriage of Samuel and sarah

maybe Samuels first wife?

[Northern Lass]

Helen Adelaide Rogers
Christening: 23 NOV 1885 Bilston, Stafford,Parents:
Father: Samuel Rogers
Mother: Sarah
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

I010880

not sure if this is extracted or submitted

[djunna]

Helen Adelaide Rogers
Christening: 23 NOV 1885 Bilston, Stafford,Parents:
Father: Samuel Rogers
Mother: Sarah
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

I010880

not sure if this is extracted or submitted

Hello

Yes this is my Gt Grandmother and her parents

Darren

[djunna]

Poss
1891 Pump Street 3 Back House Bilston
Samuel Rogers Head M 30 Boiler Stoker Born Bilston
Sarah Rogers Wife 28 Born Bilston
William Rogers Son 7 Scholar Born Bilston
Ellen A Rogers Daur 5 Scholar Born Bilston
Emily Rogers Daur 3 Born Wolverhampton
Mary Rogers Daur 1 Born Wolverhampton

1901 11 Middle Cross Street Wolverhampton
Samuel Rogers Senr Head M 41 General Labourer Born Bilston
Sarah Rogers Wife M 39 Born Bilston
William Rogers Son S 17 General Labourer Born Bilston
Ellen Rogers Daur S 15 Born Bilston
Mary Rogers Daur S 12 Born Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Rogers Daur S 9 Born Bilston
Howard Rogers Son 5 Born Bilston
Samuel Rogers Jnr 3 Born Bilston


Marriage
Sarah Mason Apr-May-Jun 1882 Wolverhampton Staffordshire 6b 709
Samuel Rogers Apr-May-Jun 1882 Wolverhampton Staffordshire 6b 709


Ellen A Bickford
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 603

Hello kdw

Yes thanks a lot, all this info is correct, and the addresses tally with my info.

Thanks a lot Darren

[cid]

There is no Frederick Bickford living with the family in any census (thought that he could have been Johns brother??)

[djunna]

Hello All.

**** CID Me too,

Thank you all so much for all your help, all the info looks correct to me and it is my family. not sure what info you require, but il give you what i have. - 1905 Marriage cert of John Bickford 24 Ironworker and Ellen Adelaid Rogers 20, Both living on Oxford Street, Nos 62 and 66 Respectivly. Fathers John Bickford Tinplate Worker and Samuel Rogers Labourer. Witnesses seem to be E Johnson and S J Benbow, (Not sure on the S J)

33 Sutherland Place is a Definate Address, also Back 9 of Bell Place, ( Which is just off the Dudley Road )

Ellen Louisa Bickford 1906 ( My Nans older sister ) married dec 24th to a George Tuckley and was living at the time at 20 Bennetts (Field ?)

As i said , im sure Frederick must be a relation to John Bickford, but i cant link him in anywhere.

Thank you all so much for all your help, I hope iv given you some more to go on with.

Much appreciated Darren

[djunna]

My nan was 3 when her mother died, so she went to stay with an Aunt called Ruth Williams who married Johns brother Charles. I am told they owned a pub i think called The Horse And Jockey, and a coal yard nearby the Canal. After a few months Ruth was caught hitting my Nan, by a niece, who told Ruths brother. His name was William Williams. He was married to a Margaret. They took my Nan Lilian from her, and soon after they moved to Newport in South Wales where my nan stayed.

My nan knew nothing of her real family until her wedding in 1941. My grandfather William Jones then contacted the Red Cross/ Sally Army. and sometime in the late 1950 were able to make contact with her siblings, who told my nan, that they just got up one morning and she had dissapeared with the Williams in the night.


Thanks a lot Darren

[cid]

If your Nan knew nothing of her family until her wedding, it could be that she just got the wrong info and thought that her mothers husband, John Bickford, was her father and that his name was Fred???? Sometimes things get confused with the passage of time.

[djunna]

Well i was told recently by my uncle, That until she saw her wedding cert she didnt know his name. This info was aparently given to the vicar by William Williams the man whose sister had beaten her. and hewould probably have known. Also, John had died 2 years before my Nans Death, so hes ruled out.

Darren

[Maths girl]

Thought I would try from a different direction

In 1911
the only person that I can find with a name near to Frederick Bickford in right area and age is

1911 2 Ranelagh Road Wolverhampton
BIGFORD, Richard Head Married M 40 1871 Joiner Staff Wolverhampton
BIGFORD, Fanny Wife Married 15 years F 42 1869 Staff Wolverhampton
BIGFORD, Fred Son M 9 1902 Staff Wolverhampton
BIGFORD, Hilda Daughter F 4 1907 Staff Wolverhampton
BIGFORD, Maud Daughter F 1 1910 Staff Wolverhampton