ARC TBC -Tackling 3x G Grandma Frances Mary Jones again.

[MarkCDodd]

I haven't looked at this for a while.

We know her father was Thomas and a "Puddler" according to her marriage.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=55770&randi=391776693

She claims a birth place of Bilston in nearly all records.

This may be her family in 1841.

1841 census transcription details for: High Street, Wolverhampton, Bilston
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1001 Book/Folio: 10/14 Page: 21

Reg. District: Wolverhampton & Seisdon Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Wolverhampton Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: High Street, Wolverhampton, Bilston
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
JONES, Thos M 50 1791 Forgeman
JONES, Elizh F 45 1796 Staffordshire
JONES, Job M 15 1826 Forgeman Staffordshire
JONES, Ann F 15 1826 Staffordshire
JONES, Elizth F 14 1827 Staffordshire
JONES, Hannah F 12 1829 Staffordshire
JONES, Charles M 10 1831 Staffordshire
JONES, Francis M 5 1836 Staffordshire

Frances is spelt with an "i" and was originally marked down as female but that was crossed out and changed to male.

[peterd]

no one find the 1851 census for the above see if its francis or frances ?

[MarkCDodd]

There is an average of 14,000 Thomas Jones is a UK census.

The number of Francis/Frances Jones increases by 200-300 per census till there are over 2000 in 1901.

That 1841 census is the only one I have found where a Thomas Jones who works in a smelter (Puddler/Forgeman) is living with a Francis/Frances anywhere near Bilston.

In the 1851 census there are 28 Thomas Jones living in Staffordshire who match that 1841 census age (born 1791 +/- 5 years).

Only one works in a forge and he is a Clerk.

Looking at possible Thomas Jones living is the Hall Green/Sedgley area, where Frances married in 1858, this one is a possible but no Frances in the house and the age varies between census.

1851 census transcription details for: Hall Green, Sedgley, Wolverhampton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2031 Folio: 318 Page: 2

Reg. District: Sedgley Sub District: Dudley
Parish: Sedgley Enum. District: 46
Ecclesiastical District: Coseley City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: Hall Green, Sedgley, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
JONES, Thomas Head Married M 34 1817 Puddler Of Iron Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Maria Wife Married F 29 1822 Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, William Son M 8 1843 Scholar Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Maria Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Eliza Daughter F 5 1846 Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Enoch Son M 1 1850 Sedgley Staffordshire

and the same family in 1861.

1861 census transcription details for: Highfields, Sedgley
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2052 Folio: 33 Page: 35

Reg. District: Dudley Sub District: 3 Sedgley
Parish: Sedgley Enum. District: 45
Ecclesiastical District: Coseley City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Highfields, Sedgley
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born
JONES, Thomas Head Married M 40 1821 Puddler Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Maria Wife Married F 33 1828 Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, William Son M 19 1842 Puddler Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Maria Daughter F 17 1844 Servant Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Eliza Daughter F 14 1847 Bedstead Painter Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Enock Son M 12 1849 ... Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Thomas Son M 8 1853 Scholar Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, John Son M 6 1855 Scholar Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Joseph Son M 3 1858 Sedgley Staffordshire
JONES, Edward Son M 0 (6M) 1861 Sedgley Staffordshire

There is also thia Thomas in 1861

1861 census transcription details for: 27, Waterloo Street, Wolverhampton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 1995 Folio: 115 Page: 34

Reg. District: Wolverhampton Sub District: 5 Wolverhampton Eastern
Parish: Wolverhampton Enum. District: 31
Ecclesiastical District: St Georges City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: 27, Waterloo Street, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
JONES, Thomas Head Married M 45 1816 Puddler ... Shropshire
JONES, Mary Wife Married F 58 1803 Cannock Staffordshire

[Northern Lass]

I have amended on Bcc re that family I put her with.

That 1841 could be her

that Bapt looks interesting though
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =155471286

this one is a real brickwall


moving to there

wonder if it is worth looking that Bilston bapt up see if any more info
or finding out what happened to that Mary jones single woman any similar names in her family that
mary called her kids

[gardener]

These are off the Wolerhapton indexes site

JONES Mary Thomas & Elizabeth 31 Dec 1815 Bilston Pudler
JONES William Thomas & Elizabeth 12 Jul 1818 Bilston Forgeman
JONES Eliza Thomas & Elizabeth 24 Feb 1822 Bilston Pudler Twin
JONES Job Thomas & Elizabeth 24 Feb 1822 Bilston Pudler Twin
JONES Anne Thomas & Elizabeth 5 Dec 1824 Bilston Pudler
JONES Elizabeth Thomas & Elizabeth 1 Jul 1827 Bilston Pudler
JONES Hannah Thomas & Elizabeth 15 May 1831 Bilston Pudler
JONES Charles Thomas & Elizabeth 6 Oct 1833 Bilston Pudler
JONES Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth 27 Dec 1835 Bilston Pudler ........Burial ? JONES Thomas 9months 29 May 1836 Bilston

and then that one

JONES Frances Mary Mary 18 Jan 1835 Bilston Single woman

It does look possible that the "Francis" in 1841 could be Mary's daughter.

I think Hannah married 1855

JONES Hannah 23 s 27 Feb 1855 Japanner Ettingshall Thomas Jones Pudler ROPER Ambrose B Ettingshall

Could someone find her in 1851 and see who else was with her?

Looking for Mary's marriage is a bit of a needle in a haystack job.

[BC Wench]

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