susietwo wrote:Evelyn's mother was Selina Ann Higgins born Bilston Staffs Back of 32 Gozzard St Bilston.
Whats next.
Sue
I am getting confused and hav just tried to draw a tree for the information that you have put together so far :
Can you check this --
Your mother was Evelyn May Higgins born 1920 and married to Thomas Edward Perry in 1941 --Her father is stated as being Thomas Higgins, Labourer on her marriage certificate. Her Mother was Selina Ann Higgins, who had Evelyn May in 1920, married Thomas Walley in 1928 and James F Kelly in 1937.
So was Evelyn's father Thomas Higgins -- another Thomas Higgins (by chance same name as mother)-- or Thomas Walley (stepfather but wrongly assumed by registrar to have same name as Evelyn --- or just simply made up?
Or has this just been a long day at school and I have totally lost the plot?
susietwo wrote:Evelyn's mother was Selina Ann Higgins born Bilston Staffs Back of 32 Gozzard St Bilston.
Whats next.
Sue
I am getting confused and hav just tried to draw a tree for the information that you have put together so far :
Can you check this --
Your mother was Evelyn May Higgins born 1920 and married to Thomas Edward Perry in 1941 --Her father is stated as being Thomas Higgins, Labourer on her marriage certificate. Her Mother was Selina Ann Higgins, who had Evelyn May in 1920, married Thomas Walley in 1928 and James F Kelly in 1937.
So was Evelyn's father Thomas Higgins -- another Thomas Higgins (by chance same name as mother)-- or Thomas Walley (stepfather but wrongly assumed by registrar to have same name as Evelyn --- or just simply made up?
Or has this just been a long day at school and I have totally lost the plot?
All I can tell you is that on my mothers marriage certificate the farther is down as Thomas Higgins, but my mother married again as my father died when i was 5 and on the 2nd certificate the father is Thomas Whally. so I think we are both confused did they make Thomas Higgins up, or was he my mothers father who my grandmother never married???
susietwo wrote: All I can tell you is that on my mothers marriage certificate the farther is down as Thomas Higgins, but my mother married again as my father died when i was 5 and on the 2nd certificate the father is Thomas Whally. so I think we are both confused did they make Thomas Higgins up, or was he my mothers father who my grandmother never married???
What does it say on your mother's birth certificate? -- Are there any Thomas Higgins in the family--cousins etc? --
When did people like your mother's mother/stepfather die in relation to her two weddings? just wondering whether your stepfather knew that Thomas Walley wasn't your mother's father and that is where the confusion arose?
Certainly a mystery that will be difficult to solve unless you have very elderly relatives/friends of the family who could shed some light on it.
susietwo wrote: All I can tell you is that on my mothers marriage certificate the farther is down as Thomas Higgins, but my mother married again as my father died when i was 5 and on the 2nd certificate the father is Thomas Whally. so I think we are both confused did they make Thomas Higgins up, or was he my mothers father who my grandmother never married???
What does it say on your mother's birth certificate? -- Are there any Thomas Higgins in the family--cousins etc? --
When did people like your mother's mother/stepfather die in relation to her two weddings? just wondering whether your stepfather knew that Thomas Walley wasn't your mother's father and that is where the confusion arose?
Certainly a mystery that will be difficult to solve unless you have very elderly relatives/friends of the family who could shed some light on it.
all i can tell you is on my grandmother death certificate she died on 28/2/1959 address 140 grove Lane Smethwick, and widow of James Patrick Kelly. I have asked my uncle who was married to my mothers aunt and he didnt think my gran ever married. he is coming on Tuesday will all the papers and photos he has so hope that will shed some light on it. Just knew my gran would be trouble lol. Sue
susietwo wrote: all i can tell you is on my grandmother death certificate she died on 28/2/1959 address 140 grove Lane Smethwick, and widow of James Patrick Kelly. I have asked my uncle who was married to my mothers aunt and he didnt think my gran ever married. he is coming on Tuesday will all the papers and photos he has so hope that will shed some light on it. Just knew my gran would be trouble lol. Sue
I have rarely found death certificates particularly useful for furthering my research -- they seem to be good for consolidation of knowledge rather than spreading new light -- maybe I have been unlucky.
It is interesting that your uncle thought your grandmother had never married but that you have two marriages for her -- obviously not big on inviting guests to the weddings!
As you say hopefully he will be able to shed more light on the situation. It sounds as though your Gran was a character when you say "Just knew my gran would be trouble" -- always the most fun to investigate!
susietwo wrote: all i can tell you is on my grandmother death certificate she died on 28/2/1959 address 140 grove Lane Smethwick, and widow of James Patrick Kelly. I have asked my uncle who was married to my mothers aunt and he didnt think my gran ever married. he is coming on Tuesday will all the papers and photos he has so hope that will shed some light on it. Just knew my gran would be trouble lol. Sue
I have rarely found death certificates particularly useful for furthering my research -- they seem to be good for consolidation of knowledge rather than spreading new light -- maybe I have been unlucky.
It is interesting that your uncle thought your grandmother had never married but that you have two marriages for her -- obviously not big on inviting guests to the weddings!
As you say hopefully he will be able to shed more light on the situation. It sounds as though your Gran was a character when you say "Just knew my gran would be trouble" -- always the most fun to investigate!
Yes she was fun i used to love going to stop at her house, just hope to find out more.
If your grandmother was unmarried when she had your mom - do you know your grandmother's full name and where she was born? If not, you will need your mom's birth certificate before you can go any further back.
Maggie
My grabs full name was Selina Ann Higgins born 1896 in Bilston
I wonder if this is your gran - she's the only Selina Higgins I can find around this age
1911 : 1 Back 32 Gozzard St Bilston Staffordshire
HIGGINS, William Head Married M 59 1852 Musician Pianist Kings Hill Staffs HIGGINS, Mary Wife Married 39 years F 60 1851 Moxley Staffs HIGGINS, Leonard Son Single M 22 1889 Engineer Fitter Bilston Staffs HIGGINS, Selina Daughter Single F 19 1892 Bilston Staffs HIGGINS, Harold Son Single M 16 1895 Bucket Trade Bilston Staffs
Have to go out now but maybe someone can investigate a bit more
Antie Em wrote:I wonder if this is your gran - she's the only Selina Higgins I can find around this age
1911 : 1 Back 32 Gozzard St Bilston Staffordshire
HIGGINS, William Head Married M 59 1852 Musician Pianist Kings Hill Staffs HIGGINS, Mary Wife Married 39 years F 60 1851 Moxley Staffs HIGGINS, Leonard Son Single M 22 1889 Engineer Fitter Bilston Staffs HIGGINS, Selina Daughter Single F 19 1892 Bilston Staffs HIGGINS, Harold Son Single M 16 1895 Bucket Trade Bilston Staffs
Have to go out now but maybe someone can investigate a bit more
I think that this it her as I know her father was musician but I thought he played the violin and his wife played the piano. But perhaps it was the other way round.
Antie Em wrote:I wonder if this is your gran - she's the only Selina Higgins I can find around this age
1911 : 1 Back 32 Gozzard St Bilston Staffordshire
HIGGINS, William Head Married M 59 1852 Musician Pianist Kings Hill Staffs HIGGINS, Mary Wife Married 39 years F 60 1851 Moxley Staffs HIGGINS, Leonard Son Single M 22 1889 Engineer Fitter Bilston Staffs HIGGINS, Selina Daughter Single F 19 1892 Bilston Staffs HIGGINS, Harold Son Single M 16 1895 Bucket Trade Bilston Staffs
Have to go out now but maybe someone can investigate a bit more
11 children born 10 living
There is also an entry crossed out on the original for a son age 27(or maybe 37)named Jeremiah? -- this is not well written
