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I am trying to work out whether the Thomas William ECCLESHALL no. 13169 with the Notts and Derbs. R. in WWI is someone in our family tree...

We have the following Thomas in our tree.....Thomas ECCLESHALL born in B'ham in 1897.... (parents George William ECCLESHALL and Florence RATHBONE)

The soldier in the record I found appears to have been discharged for reasons of sickness.

My mother knew 'Uncle Tommy' as an old man whose speech was difficult to understand...... wondered whether it was a result of the war?.... or whether he was deaf?... or maybe he had a stroke?

Our Thomas lived at 4 Court 5 Colmore St, B'ham in 1901
and at 12 Friston St, Birmingham in 1911

Any help greatly appreciated!
many Thanks
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Re: Thomas ECCLESHALL B. 1897 Birmingham

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A Thomas William Eccleshall's birth was registered in Cannock, Staffordshire in 1890.

Your Thomas is either this

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: ECCLESHALL, Thomas
Registration District: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 98

or this

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: ECCLESHALL, Thomas Alfred
Registration District: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 6D
Page No: 465

Since Thomas Albert Eccelshall was KIA I would say the remaining Thomas is yours.

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919
Name: Thomas Albert ECCLESHALL
Rank: DVR.
Initials: T A
Birthplace: Birmingham
Residence:
Enlisted: London
Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Battalion etc.:
Number: 26133
Date died: 15 September 1917
How died: Killed in action
Theatre of war: France & Flanders

Since his birth was registered without any hint of a William in it and neither census has a middle initial, I would say that soldier is not your Thomas.

It is interesting to note that there are two medal cards for Thomas William Eccleshall. One of them does not have his middle name on it.

There is also a Thomas Ernest Eccleshall who was in the 2nd Worcestershire Regiment. He was born in Birmingham in 1888 and had been in the reserves since 1905.
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Mark,
Thankyou so much for all the info.

I agree that the Thomas born in 1897 is most likely 'my' Thomas.

I knew a little bit about the other ECCLESHALLS you mention..they are all related..... but you have given me some extra bits here that I didn't know.

The Thomas Albert ECCLESHALL who was killed in 1917 was the cousin of 'my' Thomas.
His family has a most remarkable story.... Thomas Albert was one of 6 brothers who lived in Bartley St, Lambeth, London.... they all served in WWI ( I cannot imagine what it must have been like for the parents... John Walter ECCLESHALL and Henrietta SCOTT!!)

I have a little info. on each of the brothers..... sent to me by a relative.... but I am wondering whether you would be able to find more for me?

So far I have....

Thomas Albert ECCLESHALL (1880-1917) died 1917 (I will have to add the info. you wrote to my tree)
George Walter ECCLESHALL (1886-??) served from 1915-1919... no. 67931 machine gun corps... suffered from the effects of being gassed
Frederick ECCLESHALL (1888-1953) served from 1914.... lost part of his hand in the war.... 11th Batt Bedford Reg... no. 8377
William Leonard ECCLESHALL(1892-1960) emigrated to Australia... served with the Australians in WWI... I don't have any records for his military service... but do have a photo of him in in uniform
Albert Oliver ECCLESHALL (1895-1979)... I don't have any records for him.... just a photo of him wearing a medal ribbon
John Walter "Jack" ECCLESHALL (1899- ??) ..." ditto".. also have a photo of him in uniform

I suppose they really were 'brothers in arms"...... quite remarkable!!
...though I am sure there were many other families who had several sons serving at the same time.

Mark... would you have access to any more info. on them?.... or could you direct me to where I should look. Where I have the reg. no. for them I do have the 'medal card' that shows on 'Ancestry'... other than that nothing.

Many many Thanks again!!
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Forgot to mention that the Thomas Ernest you found was also related to 'my' Thomas... I had only sketchy info. on him... so thanks again!
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William Leonard Eccleshall enlisted under the name William Leonard Eccles.

You can see and download his service record here.

http://mappingouranzacs.naa.gov.au/file-view.html?b=3533832&s=B2455&c=ECCLES%20W%20L

He also enlisted in WWII.

You can see and download his service record here.

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=6268855

Make sure you enlarge each picture before downloading it.

P.S. There were over 11,000 young men from London who signed up with the Anzacs.
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Frederick Eccelshall has dozens of pages in his records on Ancestry.

Your Ancestry login will work on the Australian site.

http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=britisharmyservice&so=2&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=Frederick&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=Eccleshall&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=p66&cp=4

His pension record is also available.

http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=britisharmy&so=2&pcat=39&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=Frederick&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=Eccleshall&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=p66&cp=4
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Thomas Albert Eccleshall's record were detroyed.

His burial record is here.

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=620530
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George Walter Eccleshall's records are here.

http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=britisharmyservice&so=2&pcat=39&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=George&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=Eccleshall&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&uidh=p66&cp=4
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Mark,
Thankyou so much for all of that....
going to need some time now to process it all.

I never knew about all those London lads fighting with the Anzacs.... very interesting.

William Leonard stayed in Australia after the war.... did the other Londoners also stay?

Also somewhat embarassed to realise that on some of those war records that come up on 'Ancestry'... there is sometimes more than 1 page... and you have to scroll through.... I just thought it was just the one page that came up :oops:

Thanks again for your expertise Mark and your willingness to help!
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