*Archived * -father unknown?

[ellie]

Does anyone know how to trace an illegitimate birth? or have I hit a brick wall that i'm never going to get around?

[peterd]

stick what info you have and we might able to point you in the right direction

[Northern Lass]

Stick it on Ellie if ya don't ask ya don't get!

[ellie]

Well to be honest its very hard because its shrouded in mystery. It concerns my dads side of the family. I wanted to know the name of my grandfathers father, his birth cert says 'father unknown'. I know a few details but does anybody know if there is a way I can find out who his father is (really annoying me ) lol.
Would there be any records anywhere else? parish records/baptisms or something? if so how can I access them?

Sorry for all the questions but I think I've hit a brick wall. Any suggestions most welcome, thanks.

[Northern Lass]

Have you looked at his marriage cert to see if father is on there?
sometimes the info is put on later....maybe those concerned relent and give the info.

Have you them on a census at all?
When was he born?
Is he on 1901 or 1911?
Have you a bapt at all?
Depending which area it would be the local archives.

Give us what you know.
dates, names etc etc

[ellie]

I'm not sure about the marriage cert, not been able to check that. The main problem I have is that had theres very little information avaliable as he was unwilling to give any information, the brief reasons he gave were all lies. I know absolutely nothing about my grandfathers father, so it seems like ive hit a brick wall because I only know what I have already posted, thanks.

[Northern Lass]

Which area Ellie?
Some of us visit archives so could check the marriage cert.

and names we need names and dobs.

if ya don't ask ya don't get

[Farmers daughter]

Depending on the years there are bastardly files and sometimes you can find the father that way. I'm not overly familliar with using them and perhaps someone here could help a little more, but I do know they are there. They are the record of court ordered support, much like modern day support payments.

Also, remember, alot of times the bride or groom lied on their marriage certificate.. I have a gr.grandmother who is very likely illegitimate, however she did give a father's name on her marriage cert. There's a line through Father on her birth cert.

Good luck

Farmers d.

[ellie]

Thanks very much for that information much appreciated. I've been talking to my brother and he seems to remember that Harolds birth certificate and marriage cert both have father unknown on them (He saw them as our late great uncle George was tracing the family history years ago). I will get the certs anyway as obviouslty there will be some valuable information on them.

[Farmers daughter]

Ellie: Did you see my posting last night in your other thread..... it looks as if it has been archived now...Look up Bastardy orders and you may find what I meant... I screwed up and put an L in bastardy before. sorry.

FD

[Northern Lass]

Ellie: Did you see my posting last night in your other thread..... it looks as if it has been archived now...Look up Bastardy orders and you may find what I meant... I screwed up and put an L in bastardy before. sorry.

FD

Here is the link in the archives....
viewtopic.php?f=27&p=11723#p11723

[Northern Lass]

Let us know how you get on Ellie with the certificates you are sending for.

So unless otherwise advised this topic will be moved to archived section pending more info from Ellie re certifs. withing 24 hrs
Ellie when you wish it brought back just pm one of the mods