*Archive?* 1901 look up please Ann Jane Birks

[mallosa]

Marriages Sep 1904
Bickerton Eliza Stoke T. 6b 309
Birks Florence Stoke T. 6b 309
Burgess Samuel Stoke T. 6b 309
Meakin Joseph Stoke T. 6b 309

[ellie]

Exactly. Florence Burgess Nee birks, is the daughter of William Birks and Ann Jane. I don't think its likely that she would live with someone called Perkins after the death of her husband, and call herself Perkins then decide in 1911 to go back to the name of Birks.

[cid]

Ann could just have been lodging with William Perkins and the enumerator put them all down as the same name.
I can't see a Perkins family that fits in 1891 with the same childrens names and ages.

[ellie]

Thats a possibility, however ann is listed as the wife of William Perkins, making metters more confusing. I couldn't find a perkins either in 1891 that fits with the names on the other census returns.

[gardener]

Hi

Ellie, do you have the details from that death certificate in 1899? Does it fit for address, occupation and whoever reported the death?

1901. 12 Locketts Lane, Longton.
William Perkins 62. Coal miner.

1891: 24 Lovatt Street, Longton
William Birks 52 Head Coalminer

1881: 8 York Street, Longton, Stoke on Trent
William Birks 42 Coal Miner


Death in 1899
William Birks aged 57

I just wondered if that was death cert for someone else? Since your William Birk should be 60/61 by then shouldn't he?

Playing Devil's Advocate here

[Jimmy]

Hi Ellie,

Are you sure this is the correct death reg for William Birks.

Deaths Mar 1899.
BIRKS William. 57. Stoke On Trent . 6b. 179. age is out a bit.

Its quite possible that Perkins is mistranscribed and should be Birks, or for some reason changed their surname. I think these are the same family.

1901. 12 Locketts Lane, Longton.
William Perkins 62. Coal miner.
Ann J Perkins 50. Potters Wheel Turner.
John Perkins 21. Son. Potter Oven man.
George Perkins 18. Son. Potter Clay Wedger.
Florrie Perkins 15. Dau. Potter Wheel Turner.
Maud Perkins 10. Dau.
Annie Perkins 8. Dau.
Thomas Lockett 72. Widow. Boarder.

All born Longton.

1891: 24 Lovatt Street, Longton.
William Birks 52. Head. Coalminer.
Ann Jane Birks 40. Wife. Potters Wheel Turner.
Sarah A Firmey 16. Step Dau. Potters Warehousewoman.
John T Birks 12. Son. Potters Jigger wheel turner.
George B Birks 7. Son.
Florence Birks 5. Dau.
Maud Birks 1. Dau.
Lewis Lockett 30. Brother in law. M. Butcher.
Sarah J Lockett 19. Sister in Law. M. Potters Warehousewoman.
(all born Longton).

1881: 8 York Street, Longton, Stoke on Trent.
William Birks 42 Coal Miner.
Ann Jane Birks 29.
Eliza Finney 9 Step Dau.
Sarah Ann Finney 6 Step Dau.
John Thos. Birks 3 Son.
Annie Birks 6 mths Dau.
Lewis Lockett 22 Brother U Potters Ovenman.
(all born Longton)

[Maths girl]

Is this another possibility?

William Birks
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 76
District: Stoke Upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 155

[Maths girl]

1911 38 George Street Longton Stoke-On-Trent
EDWARDS, Herbert Head Married M 31 1880 Coal Miner Coal Longton Staffs
EDWARDS, Elizabeth Wife Married 8 years F 30 1881 Transferer Potters Below Ground Longton Staffs
EDWARDS, Lizzie Daughter F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Longton Staffs
BIRKS, William Father In Law Married M 76 1835 Longton Staffs
BIRKS, Ann Mother In Law Married 40 years F 72 1839 Formerly And Caretaker Not Worked For 3 Yrs Longton Staffs
5 children born 2 still living

[Jimmy]

There are these two, whose ages fit the death reg for 1899.

1891. Longbridge Hayes.
William Birks 49. Widow. Black Smith. Reele, Staffordshire.

1891. Longton.
William Birks 49. Driver of Horses. Longton, Staffordshire.
Mary Birks 49.

[ellie]

Thanks for your help, I have to look for a bit more information I think.

[grangers14]

Are you sill working on this Ellie or can it be archived?
Jo