ARC ?--Frederick Tromans and Eliza Unk-----KDW adding to BCC

[kdw]

The only marriage i can see for Frederick and Eliza is this
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1918
TROMANS Frederick R TURNER Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/014/306

[Northern Lass]

Can we find them on census pls

they are wits in 1923 at St Lukes Cradley Heath

21 May 1923 St Lukes Cradley Heath
Daniel Cornelius Nock 41 bach Fitting maker Holly Bush St Cradley Heath Silas Nock Chainmaker
Sarah Jane Tromans 41 widow Woodhall St Cradley Heath Simeon Darby deceased Labourer
banns
both signed
Wits- Frederick Tromans / Eliza Tromans

we are ok on Daniel and Clara

so can we keep this for who Frederick tromans is
we have lots on BCC

here is Eli
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =287958975

first husband of Clara

do they have children called Frederick and Eliza

any births for them pls mother Darby

[kdw]

Possible birth for Frederick

Births Dec 1896
Tromans Frederick Reginald Dudley 6c 113

Possible
1901 13 Dudley Wood
William Tromans Head Mar 40 Jouneyman Butcher Born Dudley Wood
Elizabeth Tromans Wife Mar 40 Born Hil Top West Bromwich
Bert Tromans Son 13 Screwing on a Machine Born Netherton
William Tromans Son 11 Born Greatbridge Warwick
Sydney Tromans Son 9 Born Dudley Wood
Mary Tromans Daur 7 Born Dudley Wood
Frederick Tromans Son 4 Born Dudley Wood
Samuel Tromans Lodger S 47 Labourer Bricklayer Born Dudley Wood

[Northern Lass]

can't see these tromans on Bcc

is there a marriage for William and Elizabeth and earlier census pls

[kdw]

Possible
1891 7 Dudley Wood Dudley
John Tromans Head 52 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Mary Tromans Wife 52 Born Rowley
Joseph Tromans Son 26 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Clara Tromans Daur 22 Dress Maker Born Rowley
Emily Tromans Daur 21 Dress Maker Born Rowley
Sidney H Tromans Son 14 Carpenters Apprentice Born Rowley
William Tromans Brother Mar 29 Drayman Born Dudley
Elizabeth Tromans Sister in Law Mar 29 Born West Bromwich
Thomas B Tromans Nephew 3 Born Dudley
John W Tromans Nephew 1 Born West Bridge Staffs

[Northern Lass]

So John Tromans b abt 1839 is brother to

Wiliam Tromans b abt 1862

huge gap there

but kids on 1891 and 1901 seem ok although prob using middle names

any marriages for

William Tromans and Elizabeth
and

John Tromans and mary

and can we see John on 1841 or earlier census
and
William on earlier ones pls

[kdw]

I think this may be them
1861 Dudley Wood Dudley
William Tromans Head 47 Labourer Born
Hannah Tromans Wife 42 Chain Maker
John Tromans Son 22 Chain Maker
Sarah Ann Tromans Daur 18 Servant
Dray Tromans Daur 16 Chain Maker Mary on image
Phebe Tromans Daur 14 Chain Maker
Elizabeth Tromans Daur 12 Scholar
Isabella Tromans Daur 10 Scholar
Samuel Tromans Son 8 Scholar
Hannah Tromans Daur 6 Scholar
William Tromans Son 2
Scholar
All Born Dudley

Is this William Snr
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

[kdw]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1887

TROMANS William T BIDDLESTONE Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/008/462

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1865
TROMANS John HOMER Mary Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/002/266

[kdw]

1871 Five Ways Rowley Regis
William Tromans Head 57 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Hannah Tromans Wife Born Cradley
Isabella Tromans Daur 20 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Samuel Tromans Son 18 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Hannah Tromans Daur 16 Chain Maker Born Dudley

1851 Dudley Wood Dudley
William Trowman Head 37 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Hannah Trowman Wife 32 Chain Maker Born Cradley
John Trowman Son 12 Chain Maker Born Dudley Wood
Sarah Ann Trowman Daur 8 Born Dudley Wood
Phoebe Trowman Daur 4 Born Dudley Wood
Elizabeth Trowman Daur 2 Born Dudley Wood
Isabella Trowman Daur 3 MO Born Dudley Wood
Hannah Woolley Lodger 24 Day Labourer Born Birmingham

1841 Dudley Wood
William Tromans 25 Chain Maker
Hannah Tromans 20
Joh Tromans 2
Joseph Tromans 7 Mths
All Born in County

[kdw]

Does this need adding prior to marriage lookups

[Northern Lass]

Does this need adding prior to marriage lookups

I dont know not up to speed with it
any chance you could wade thru it and add what you can that looks good?
pls

[kdw]

added census and kids for William and Hannah not joing others up until lookups done
Can archive for now thanks
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =950201810

[Northern Lass]

added census and kids for William and Hannah not joing others up until lookups done
Can archive for now thanks
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =950201810

which look ups are they can you pull them out of the lists and I will put them as urgent
if connections rely on them being looked up

[kdw]

38...*Kdw* Frederick Tromans and Eliza Unk Thread
Q. Is the father for William and John William
1887
TROMANS William T BIDDLESTONE Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/008/462

1865
TROMANS John HOMER Mary Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/002/266

From list in lookups

[Northern Lass]

Ok so we think that this John /William/Samuel here all bros

1891 7 Dudley Wood Dudley
John Tromans Head 52 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Mary Tromans Wife 52 Born Rowley
Joseph Tromans Son 26 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Clara Tromans Daur 22 Dress Maker Born Rowley
Emily Tromans Daur 21 Dress Maker Born Rowley
Sidney H Tromans Son 14 Carpenters Apprentice Born Rowley
William Tromans Brother Mar 29 Drayman Born Dudley
Elizabeth Tromans Sister in Law Mar 29 Born West Bromwich
Thomas B Tromans Nephew 3 Born Dudley
John W Tromans Nephew 1 Born West Bridge Staffs

1901 13 Dudley Wood
William Tromans Head Mar 40 Jouneyman Butcher Born Dudley Wood
Elizabeth Tromans Wife Mar 40 Born Hil Top West Bromwich
Bert Tromans Son 13 Screwing on a Machine Born Netherton
William Tromans Son 11 Born Greatbridge Warwick
Sydney Tromans Son 9 Born Dudley Wood
Mary Tromans Daur 7 Born Dudley Wood
Frederick Tromans Son 4 Born Dudley Wood
Samuel Tromans Lodger S 47 Labourer Bricklayer Born Dudley Wood

William is this one here......
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =983591144

and brother Samuel (lodger) is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =222432476

and brother John here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =392563537

and poss marriage for William
1887
TROMANS William T BIDDLESTONE Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/008/462

and then for John
1865
TROMANS John HOMER Mary Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/002/266

then birth for frederick
Possible birth for Frederick

Births Dec 1896
Tromans Frederick Reginald Dudley 6c 113


and poss marriag for Him to Elizabeth
1918
TROMANS Frederick R TURNER Elizabeth Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/014/306